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Fact-checking claims from Trump and Biden's first debate

 

VIRUS RESPONSE

TRUMP: Dr. Anthony Fauci “said very strongly, ‘masks are not good.’ Then he changed his mind, he said, ‘masks, good.’”

THE FACTS: He is skirting crucial context. Trump is telling the story in a way that leaves out key lessons learned as the coronavirus pandemic unfolded, raising doubts about the credibility of public health advice.

Early on in the outbreak, a number of public health officials urged everyday people not to use masks, fearing a run on already short supplies of personal protective equipment needed by doctors and nurses in hospitals.

But that changed as the highly contagious nature of the coronavirus became clear, as well as the fact that it can be spread by tiny droplets breathed into the air by people who may not display any symptoms.

Fauci of the National Institutes of Health, along with Dr. Robert Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Steven Hahn of the Food and Drug Administration and Dr. Deborah Birx of the White House coronavirus task force, all agree on the importance of wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Redfield has repeatedly said it could be as effective as a vaccine if people took that advice to heart.


TRUMP, on coronavirus and his campaign rallies: “So far we have had no problem whatsoever. It’s outside, that’s a big difference according to the experts. We have tremendous crowds.”

THE FACTS: That’s not correct.

Trump held an indoor rally in Tulsa in late June, drawing both thousands of participants and large protests.

The Tulsa City-County Health Department director said the rally “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases there. By the first week of July, Tulsa County was confirming more than 200 new daily cases, setting record highs. That’s more than twice the number the week before the rally.


TRUMP, addressing Biden: “You didn’t do very well on the swine flu. H1N1. You were a disaster.”

THE FACTS: Trump frequently distorts what happened in the pandemic of 2009, which killed far fewer people in the United States than the coronavirus is killing now. For starters, Biden as vice president wasn’t running the federal response. And that response was faster out of the gate than when COVID-19 came to the U.S.

Then, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s flu surveillance network sounded the alarm after two children in California became the first people diagnosed with the new flu strain in this country.

About two weeks later, the Obama administration declared a public health emergency against H1N1, also known as the swine flu, and the CDC began releasing anti-flu drugs from the national stockpile to help hospitals get ready. In contrast, Trump declared a state of emergency in early March, seven weeks after the first U.S. case of COVID-19 was announced, and the country’s health system struggled for months with shortages of critical supplies and testing.

More than 200,000 people have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. The CDC puts the U.S. death toll from the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic at about 12,500.


TRUMP, addressing Biden on U.S. deaths from COVID-19: “If you were here, it wouldn’t be 200,000 people, it would be 2 million people. You didn’t want me to ban China, which was heavily infected.... If we would have listened to you, the country would have been left wide open.”

THE FACTS: This accusation is off the mark. Biden never came out against Trump’s decision to restrict travel from China. Biden was slow in staking a position on the matter but when he did, he supported the restrictions. Biden never counseled leaving the country “wide open” in the face of the pandemic.

Trump repeatedly, and falsely, claims to have banned travel from China. He restricted it.

The U.S. restrictions that took effect Feb. 2 continued to allow travel to the U.S. from China’s Hong Kong and Macao territories over the past five months. The Associated Press reported that more than 8,000 Chinese and foreign nationals based in those territories entered the U.S. in the first three months after the travel restrictions were imposed.

Additionally, more than 27,000 Americans returned from mainland China in the first month after the restrictions took effect. U.S. officials lost track of more than 1,600 of them who were supposed to be monitored for virus exposure.

Dozens of countries took similar steps to control travel from hot spots before or around the same time the U.S. did.

 

CRIME

BIDEN: “The fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17%, 15%, in our administration.”

THE FACTS: That’s overstating it.

Overall, the number of violent crimes fell roughly 10% from 2008, the year before Biden took office as vice president, to 2016, his last full year in the office, according to data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting program.

But the number of violent crimes was spiking again during Obama and Biden’s final two years in office, increasing by 8% from 2014 to 2016.

More people were slain across the U.S. in 2016, for example, than at any other point under the Obama administration.


TRUMP: “If you look at what’s going on in Chicago, where 53 people were shot and eight died. If you look at New York where it’s going up like nobody’s ever seen anything … the numbers are going up 100 150, 200%, crime, it’s crazy what’s going on.”

THE FACTS: Not quite. The statistics in Chicago are true, but those numbers are only a small snapshot of crime in the city and the United States, and his strategy is highlighting how data can be easily molded to suit the moment. As for New York, Trump may have been talking about shootings. They are up in New York by about 93% so far this year, but overall crime is down about 1.5%. Murders are up 38%, but there were 327 killings compared with 236, still low compared with years past. For example, compared with a decade ago, crime is down 10 percent.

An FBI report released Monday for 2019 year of crime data found that violent crime has decreased over the past three years.

 

ECONOMY

BIDEN: Trump will be the “first (president) in American history” to lose jobs during his presidency.

THE FACTS: No, if Trump loses re-election, he would not be the first president in U.S. history to have lost jobs. That happened under Herbert Hoover, the president who lost the 1932 election to Franklin Roosevelt as the Great Depression caused massive job losses.

Official jobs records only go back to 1939 and, in that period, no president has ended his term with fewer jobs than when he began. Trump appears to be on track to have lost jobs during his first term, which would make him the first to do so since Hoover.

 

FOOTBALL

TRUMP: “I’m the one who brought back football. By the way, I brought back Big Ten football. It was me and I’m very happy to do it.”

THE FACTS: Better check the tape. While Trump had called for the Big Ten conference to hold its 2020 football season, he wasn’t the only one. Fans, students, athletes and college towns had also urged the conference to resume play.

When the Big Ten announced earlier this month that it reverse an earlier decision to cancel the season because of COVID-19, Trump tweeted his thanks: “It is my great honor to have helped!!!”

The conference includes several large universities in states that could prove pivotal in the election, including Pennsylvania, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio and Wisconsin.

 

SUPREME COURT

BIDEN, on Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett: “She thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not constitutional.”

THE FACTS: That’s not right.

Biden is talking about Trump’s pick to replace the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Barrett has been critical of the Obama-era law and the court decisions that have upheld it, but she has never said it’s not constitutional. The Supreme Court will hear arguments in the case on Nov. 10, and the Trump administration is asking the high court to rule the law unconstitutional.

 
 

HEALTH CARE

TRUMP: “Drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%.”

THE FACTS: That’s a promise, not a reality.

And as a promise, it’s an obvious stretch.

Trump has been unable to get legislation to lower drug prices through Congress. Major regulatory actions from his administration are still in the works, and are likely to be challenged in court.

There’s no plan on the horizon that would lower drug prices as dramatically as Trump claims.

 

DELAWARE STATE

TRUMP: “You said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college. You didn’t go to Delaware State. ... There’s nothing smart about you, Joe.”

THE FACTS: Trump is quoting Biden out of context. The former vice president, a graduate of the University of Delaware, did not say he attended Delaware State University but was making a broader point about his long-standing ties to the Black community.

Trump is referring to remarks Biden often says on the campaign, typically when speaking to Black audiences, that he “goes way back with HBCUs,” or historically Black universities and colleges. Biden has spoken many times over the years at Delaware State, a public HBCU in his home state, and the school says that’s where he first announced his bid for the Senate – his political start.

“I got started out of an HBCU, Delaware State — now, I don’t want to hear anything negative about Delaware State,” Biden told a town hall in Florence, South Carolina, in October 2019. “They’re my folks.”

Biden often touts his deep political ties to the Black community, occasionally saying he “grew up politically” or “got started politically” in the Black church. In front of some audiences, he’s omitted the word “politically,” but still with a clear context about his larger point. The statements are all part of standard section of his stump noting that Delaware has “the eighth largest Black population by percentage.”

A spokesman for the Delaware State University, Carlos Holmes, has said it took Biden’s comments to refer to his political start, saying that Biden announced his bid for the U.S. Senate on the DSU campus in 1972.

Biden’s broader point is push back on the idea that he’s a Johnny-Come-Lately with the Black community or that his political connections there are owed only to being Barack Obama’s vice president.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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VERIFY: Fact-checking the first presidential debate

 

CLAIM: Vice President Joe Biden said that President Trump’s former spokesperson, referring to Kellyanne Conway, said that “riots and chaos and violence help his cause.” 

Conway, President Trump's former White House Counselor, did make a statement, referencing a third-party quote, that protests were going to help re-elect President Trump.

Our VERIFY researchers found a Fox & Friends interview from August 27, 2020, in which Conway spoke about violence in Kenosha, Wisc. She mentioned a story about a “small businesswoman” who got ready to re-open her business amid COVID-19 restrictions being lifted only to have to do it all over again after her business was allegedly “vandalized and looted.”

Conway then talked about a quote from a Wisconsin restaurateur who allegedly said “Are you protesters trying to get Donald Trump re-elected?”

Conway then said, "He knows, full stop, and I guess Mayor Pete (Buttigieg) knows full stop that the more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence reigns, the better it is for the very clear choice on who's best on public safety and law and order.”

 

CLAIM: President Trump said, "I have Portland; the sheriff just came out today and said, 'I support President Trump.'"

This is false.

Portland, Ore., is a city and it does not have a sheriff. But Portland is located in Multnomah County and its sheriff is Mike Reese. He made it clear he doesn't support Trump.

"In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the 'Portland Sheriff' supports him.  As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him," Reese tweeted.

CLAIM: Trump questioned the integrity of mail-in ballots by remarking that some states will let people submit their ballots on November 10, a week after Election Day.

This is true, but that doesn't mean they can mail it a week late.

All mail-in ballots have to be postmarked on or before Election Day to be counted regardless of state. Some states will only accept mail-in ballots received by the election office on or before Election Day.

The National Conference of State Legislatures lists at least 19 states that accept mail-in ballots after Election Day if they have been postmarked before Election Day or in some states on Election Day. The exact deadlines vary from state to state and some states have recently changed their rules to adapt to the COVID-19 pandemic, so it’s a good idea to verify election deadlines on your state’s election website.

Regardless, it’s true there are states that still accept ballots even a week past Election Day. However, your ballot won’t be accepted if you just submit your ballot the day after Election Day. All states that accept later mail-in ballots require that those ballots be postmarked either before Election Day or on Election Day.

The United States Postal Service says, “A postmark indicates the location and date the Postal Service accepted custody of a mailpiece, and it cancels affixed postage.” That means that if you want your ballot to be counted, the USPS has to have possession of the ballot by Election Day at the latest. 

 

CLAIM: President Trump said he provided incentives for electric cars

This is false but needs context.

The President's 2020 budget proposed eliminating the $7,500 tax credit for purchasing an electric vehicle. But the President's proposed budget did not pass through Congress.

 

CLAIM: President Donald Trump accused Former Vice President Joe Biden of referring to African-Americans as “superpredators.”

This claim is false. 

The quote he’s referring to was actually said by Hillary Clinton and came up during the 2016 campaign. Clinton used the term in a 1996 speech at Keene State College in New Hampshire in support of the 1994 Crime Bill signed into law by her husband, President Bill Clinton.

That speech made an appearance during the 2016 campaign. Donald Trump made mention of it in an August tweet that year and Hillary Clinton issued a statement to the Washington Post in February apologizing for using it.

While Biden has received criticism for his role in the passage of the 1994 Crime Bill, and did warn of "predators" in a floor speech in support of that bill,  he did not refer to African-Americans as “superpredators.” Accusing him of doing so is false.

 

CLAIM: Biden said, "40,000 people a day are contracting COVID. In addition to that, about between 750 and 1000 people they're dying."

This claim is true.

Since August, COVID-19 deaths are usually between 750 and 1,000 deaths per day with some days seeing more than 1,000 deaths. In September, the daily positive COVID-19 cases have been close to 40,000 cases. Since July 1, there have been in between 35,000 and 65,000 people a day contracting COVID-19. 

 

CLAIM: President Donald Trump claimed that 300,000 veterans died because the Obama/Biden Administration could not provide them with adequate healthcare.

Trump is citing a real report, but the real story is a bit more complicated than Trump makes it sound. A report from the Department of Veteran Affairs’ inspector general in 2015 said, “As of September 2014, more than 307,000 pending [enrollment status] records, or about 35 percent of all pending records, were for individuals reported as deceased by the Social Security Administration.” That’s referring to their enrollment for VA healthcare.

The immediate sentences after that one said, “However, due to data limitations, we could not determine specifically how many pending [enrollment status] records represent veterans who applied for health care benefits. These conditions occurred because the enrollment program did not effectively define, collect, and manage enrollment data. In addition, VHA lacked adequate procedures to identify date of death information and implement necessary updates to the individual’s status.”

That means the exact numbers of veterans who were actually waiting to receive healthcare is unknown and that when exactly they died is unclear for some veterans.

The report also said, “Records for deceased individuals have remained in a pending status without detection for many years.” One example the report gave of the problems with the system was the case of an individual who had died in 1993 whose record was placed in a pending status in 2009 and had remained there since.

So, it’s impossible to say exactly how many of those veterans had actually died waiting for healthcare and how many of those deaths actually occurred during the Obama Administration.

 

CLAIM: Joe Biden said “[President Trump is] in the Supreme Court now trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, which will strip 20 million people from having health insurance now.”

This claim is true. Both the The Urban Institute and the Kaiser Family Foundation estimate that the Affordable Care Act currently covers 20 million people who would otherwise be uninsured. The Urban Institute estimates those 20 million people would immediately be uninsured if the ACA were repealed. Both reports say that the passing of a separate insurance plan could offset those numbers, but as of the writing of this article, no replacement bill for the ACA had been passed.

 

CLAIM: Vice President Biden claimed 10 million people lost health insurance because of the recession.

That is mostly true. According to a report from the Economic Policy Institute, 12 million Americans may have lost health insurance since February. That is based on the fact that most U.S. workers rely on an employer for insurance. When the COVID-19 crisis hit, millions of people lost their jobs. But the Economic Policy Institute has not calculated yet how many of those laid off workers were able to get on public assistance. So while millions lost employer provided insurance, some may have been able to find coverage from another source. Final numbers on how many people lost health insurance completely will not be available until next year.

 

CLAIM: President Trump said he was endorsed by 250 military leaders.

This is mostly true.

In September, 235 retired military leaders wrote an open letter endorsing President Trump. They wrote "As retired military officers we believe that Donald J. Trump has been tested as few other presidents have and is the proven leader to confront these dangers."

They also criticized former Vice-President Biden and the Democratic Party.

In late September, nearly 500 retired generals, admirals and national security officials endorsed Joe Biden for president, saying he had the character and judgment to serve as commander-in-chief instead of Trump, who has failed "to meet challenges large or small."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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Remove the moderators and let's see what happens!   :goal:


" GO BILLS "

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2 hours ago, JLB said:

Remove the moderators and let's see what happens!   :goal:

You know, in my time here on the range whenever somebody from the past comes back I always hope they’re going to bring some intelligent and vigorous conversation. That didn’t happen in your case

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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38 minutes ago, HipKat said:

You know, in my time here on the range whenever somebody from the past comes back I always hope they’re going to bring some intelligent and vigorous conversation. That didn’t happen in your case

I have a tremendous advantage ... i recognize that .... you may need to acknowledge that fact ASAP.  :assspank:

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" GO BILLS "

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2 hours ago, JLB said:

I have a tremendous advantage ... i recognize that .... you may need to acknowledge that fact ASAP.  :assspank:

Let’s have a contest, it’ll be about embedding content into our posts


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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21 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

RAVE DUBIN?

that fucking clown is dumber than you. and thats saying something.

LOL.  You calling others dumb is quite funny.

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I love this YouTube channel. She's always on point.

 

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13 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Great stuff!

Also, this is good on the psychology of Trump and how he persuades. As usual, the Range Leftists don't get it because they're not "hip" to how the brain works.

 

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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

Also, this is good on the psychology of Trump and how he persuades. As usual, the Range Leftists don't get it because they're not "hip" to how the brain works.

You put the words "brain" and "leftists" in the same sentence.

How dare you. :classic_biggrin:

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