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SyStEmIc RaCisM dOeS'nT ExIsT! : Refuted by academic studies & data (no feelings allowed)

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There has been a lot of debate about race on the range lately. I think it ultimately comes down to many range members believing in rugged individualism, while others like myself, see societal factors that need to be addressed before the black community as a whole has a fair shot at success.

 

 

Here are some of the points that I agree with:

 

 

1.     Ultimately the choices that you make are yours alone.

2.     The urban gang banger lifestyle, culture, and mentality is really bad for the black community.

3.     The black community needs to do more for themselves.

 

Even as someone who leans left in America, (or the center in most parts of the developed world) I understand that these are undeniable facts. But, what I see here on the range is that members believe that the black community got their rights during the civil rights movement, and therefore institutional (systemic) racism does not exist, and black victimhood/entitlement and culture is the real problem.

 

Let’s think of it like this institutional racism like this:

 

 

You and 5 of your friends decide to play a game of monopoly. Your one black friend Tyrone (that you tell everyone about because he acts white) doesn’t get to roll for the first 30 turns. Damn, that would sure suck for him, right? You and 4 other people get to go around acquire property and wealth for 30 turns, epic! Well, Tyrone, the entitled black, keeps complaining about the rules, and finally you change them so he stops bitching. So now the rule is Tyrone can play but he can only own the cheapest properties, he can’t ever get a loan from the bank, and anytime he rolls doubles he goes straight to jail. Tyrone says, “ok fine, it’s better than watching for another 30 turns”. Throughout the course of the game Tyrone continues to end up in and out of jail and is barely hanging in there. So again, Tyrone, being the lazy, angry, black that he is, says “Can I play by the same rules that you 5 are?” You guys notice how angry he is and you agree to play by the same rules. 10 turns later Tyrone finally goes bankrupt and loses the game. Tyrone says “That was not fair!”. Angrily Tyrone knocks the board off the table like the typical violent black that he is. Then you and your friends say,

 

 

“Tyrone! Chill out dude! You’re destroying the game; property destruction is not cool!”

“I don’t support that kind of violent protests”

“The rules are the same now, so stop complaining and play better”

 

 

This is where we are in 2020.

 

 

What is institutional racism? I know there is at least one**** member on here that doesn’t have a clue what institutional (systemic) racism is. I’ll break it down and I’ll provide some data to support my arguments.

 

 

But firstly, if you are going to argue that academics and peer reviewed studies are “Marxist/communist bullshit”, or something similar, just stop reading here. You are too far gone. If we can’t discuss objective reality, then there is no point in you reading or responding to this thread. However, if you want to discuss the methodology of the study, or you have updated data; please by all means lets discuss. If you’re arguments are merely anecdotal or feelings based, don’t bother. I don’t care about your fee fees.

 

 

Here is a great way to break down what institutional racism is:

 

 

Institutional racism is distinguished from the explicit attitudes or racial bias of individuals by the existence of systematic policies or laws and practices that provide differential access to goods, services and opportunities of society by race. Institutional racism results in data showing racial gaps across every system. For children and families it affects where they live, the quality of the education they receive, their income, types of food they have access to, their exposure to pollutants, whether they have access to clean air, clean water or adequate medical treatment, and the types of interactions they have with the criminal justice system. https://fpg.unc.edu/sites/fpg.unc.edu/files/resources/other-resources/What%20Racism%20Looks%20Like.pdf

 

 

 

 

In the wake of recent events, let’s start with institutional racism within the criminal justice system. Okay hold on, I know what you are thinking! Let’s get this whole 13/50 meme out of the way! “Despite making up about 13% of the population, blacks commit about 50% of the crimes.”

 

 

The origin of this meme is from FBI statistics. Technically, even these statistics show that Black people were arrested for 38.7% of homicides when you include thousands of homicides where the race of the perpetrator was unknown, so the people using this statistic don’t actually use it correctly. Finally, even when you use the 38.7% figure, the FBI itself has said that its UCR data is unreliable for the following reasons:

1.     The statistic refers to arrests made, not even convictions made. FBI Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) stats are collected from law enforcement, not courts. If police departments are racist and disproportionately arrest Black suspects (which they do), then the number of “Black homicides” would artificially increase. 

2.     It relies on voluntary reports from local law enforcement agencies, so it suffers from selection bias. Law enforcement agencies are essentially allowed to choose whether to disclose their data or not

3.     The UCR program admits that it doesn’t have a real means of ensuring that the data they receive is reliable. “The accuracy of the statistics depends primarily on the adherence of each contributor to the established standards of reporting. It is the responsibility of each state UCR Program or individual contributing law enforcement agency to submit accurate monthly statistics or correct existing data that are in error.”

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

 

 

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/ucr/a-word-about-ucr-data.pdf/view

 

 

Bring that to Stormfront forums and blow some minds. But enough of the race realism, and on to the criminal justice system.

 

 

                                                                              Police Subconscious Bias

 

https://scihub.wikicn.top/10.1111/socf.12367  This study highlights the philosophical and racial reasons why white police officers have a discriminatory bias against African-Americans. It also pulls data collected via nationally representative survey which focuses on a number of specific racial attitudes of police officers to gain a broader understanding of their racial views and biases. The study finds that officers believe blacks are more violent, lazy, and should not be given special treatment compared to whites. (who is shocked to hear this?)

The study further highlights that people with less education adopt conservative views on race and the harmful impacts discrimination denial can have. Meaning, it shows how denial of racial discrimination can lead to the establishment of racial hierarchy, which is pretty much what the range likes to do! Go figure!

 

 

A 2017 study of interactions between officers and citizens taken from footage captured by police officer body cameras found that “officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop.” https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2017/05/30/1702413114.full.pdf

 

 

                                                                             Policing and Traffic stops

 

In a WaPo: Interview with Frank R. Baumgartner, Derek A. Epp and Kelsey Shoub 18 (book) the study found that Blacks are almost twice as likely to be pulled over as whites — even though whites drive more on average

Relative to whites, a black person in a car is 2x as likely to be pulled over and 4x as likely to be searched - despite the fact that they’re less likely to be found with contraband as a result of those searches.

 

 

According to a Justice Department study released in 2013, throughout the United States, black drivers are about 30 percent more likely to be pulled over than white drivers. Black drivers are also more likely to be pulled over for alleged mechanical or equipment problems with their automobiles, or for record checks. White people are actually more likely to get pulled over for noticeable traffic violations such as speeding. Black drivers are more likely to not be told why they were pulled over.

 

 

Pierson et al. 20 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1.pdf

 

 

This is an Enormous study of nearly 100,000,000 traffic stops conducted across America.

 

The analysis finds the bar for searching black and hispanic drivers’ cars is significantly lower than the bar for white drivers. Black drivers are less likely to be pulled over after sunset, when “a ‘veil of darkness’ masks ones’ race”. Legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington has caused fewer drivers to be searched during a stop, but that did not alter the increased frequency with which black and Latino drivers are searched.

 

 

 

 

NYCLU, ACLU's branch in New York https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

I’ve cited this one before, but if you got this far, congrats!

 

 

White people generally made up only about 10 percent of police stops, despite making up about 45 percent of the city. Black and Latino people made up more than 80 percent of the stops, despite making up just over 50% of the city population. Consistently, between 85 and 90 percent of such stops produced no arrest, citation or evidence of criminal activity.

 

 

                                                                   Police use of Force

 

Edwards et al. 19 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

In this study it showed that Black, Indian, and Native people are significantly more likely to get killed by the police than white people.

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis

 

 

“Black Americans are more than twice as likely to be unarmed when killed during encounters with police as white people, according to a Guardian investigation which found 102 of 464 people killed so far this year in incidents with law enforcement officers were not carrying weapons.”

                      

 

                                                              Prosecutors, Discretion, and Plea Bargaining

 

The overwhelming majority of criminal cases are resolved by plea bargains before ever going to trial. While this makes sense because if every case went to trial, the court systems would become overburdened. What this data looks at is who is more likely to get plea deals, and the kinds of deals that they are offered. 

 

 

A 2017 study of about 48,000 criminal cases in Wisconsin showed that white defendants were 25 percent more likely than black defendants to have their most serious charge dismissed in a plea bargain. Among defendants facing misdemeanor charges that could carry a sentence of incarceration, whites were 75 percent more likely to have those charges dropped, dismissed or reduced to a charge that did not include such a punishment.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3036726

 

 

A 2011 summary of the research on race and plea bargaining published by the Bureau of Justice Assistance concluded that “the majority of research on race and sentencing outcomes shows that blacks are less likely than whites to receive reduced pleas,” that “studies that assess the effects of race find that blacks are less likely to receive a reduced charge compared with whites,” and that “studies have generally found a relationship between race and whether or not a defendant receives a reduced charge.” https://bja.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh186/files/media/document/PleaBargainingResearchSummary.pdf

 

 

A 2013 study found that after adjusting for numerous other variables, federal prosecutors were almost twice as likely to bring charges carrying mandatory minimums against black defendants as against white defendants accused of similar crimes. https://bja.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh186/files/media/document/PleaBargainingResearchSummary.pdf

 

A 2008 analysis found that black defendants with multiple prior convictions are 28 percent more likely to be charged as “habitual offenders” than white defendants with similar criminal records. The authors conclude that “assessments of dangerousness and culpability are linked to race and ethnicity, even after offense seriousness and prior record are controlled.”

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.821.8079&rep=rep1&type=pdf

 

 

                                                             Judges and Sentencing

U.S. Sentencing Commission 12 https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf

 

 

Extensive multivariate regression analysis indicates black male offenders receive 19.1% longer sentences than similarly-situated white male offenders (white male offenders with similar past offenses, socioeconomic background, etc.)

 

As the name implies, multivariate regression is a technique that estimates a single regression model with more than one outcome variable. When there is more than one predictor variable in a multivariate regression model, the model is a multivariate multiple regression. https://stats.idre.ucla.edu/stata/dae/multivariate-regression-analysis/

 

This disparity seems to stem mostly from black males being 21.2% less likely to receive non-government sponsored downward departures or variances.


 

Non-government sponsored departures and variances refer to deviations from standard sentencing guidelines due to judicial discretion.

 

Black males who do receive non-government-sponsored departures and variations still serve 16.8% longer sentences than white males on average.

 

In contrast, when sentencing length follows standard guidelines, that disparity is only 7.9%, and a substantial assistance departure for both groups nullifies that disparity.

 

This study shows that much of the sentencing disparity between similarly situated black males and white males comes down to judicial discretion to deviate from standard sentencing guidelines.

 

 

For the race realists: regression analysis suggests violence in a criminal’s history does NOT explain sentencing disparities between black males and similarly situated white males - the effect of that factor seems to be statistically insignificant.

 

 

                                                                                            Prison and Incarceration

 

Black people are of course overrepresented in the prison population. As noted in one study below, they’re overrepresented even after you account for variables such as the crime rate among blacks.

 

 

A 2016 Yale University study of solitary confinement in 48 jurisdictions across 45 states found that black prisoners were more likely to be held in isolation than white prisoners. The discrepancy was even greater among women — black women made up 24 percent of the female prison population but 41 percent of those who had been held in isolation (that figure came from 40 jurisdictions.) https://law.yale.edu/yls-today/news/asca-liman-program-release-new-report-restrictive-housing

 

A report found that in Texas, black prisoners are much more likely to be sent to solitary confinement, even as Texas prisons are phasing out the practice. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Black-prisoners-in-Texas-more-likely-to-be-in-12853969.php

 

In surveying the research on the topic, the Sentencing Project estimates that 61 to 80 percent of black overrepresentation in prisons can be explained by higher crime rates in the black population. (Of course, those higher crime rates themselves could be due in part to racial bias.) The rest is probably because of racial bias. https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Black-Lives-Matter.pdf

 

 

The War on Drugs and Racism

 

 

Black people are consistently arrested, charged and convicted of drug crimes including possession, distribution and conspiracy at far higher rates than white people. This, despite research showing that both races use and sell drugs at about the same rate.

 

 

A 2014 ACLU survey of SWAT teams across the country found that “dynamic entry” and paramilitary police tactics are disproportionately used against black and Latino people. Most of these raids were on people suspected of low-level drug crimes. https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/jus14-warcomeshome-report-web-rel1.pdf

 

The Concentrated Racial Impact of Drug Imprisonment and the Characteristics of Punitive Counties http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/vortex.pdf

 

While White & Black Americans admit to using and selling illicit drugs at similar rates, Black Americans are VASTLY more likely to go to prison for a drug offense.

In 2002, Black Americans were incarcerated for drug offenses at TEN TIMES the rate of White Americans.

Today, Blacks are 3.7x as likely to be arrested for a marijuana offense as Whites, despite similar usage.

97% of “large-population counties” have racial biases in their drug offense incarceration

 

In contrast to the assertion that blacks are more likely to be arrested because they’re more likely to use drugs in public, a 2002 study of narcotics search warrants in the San Diego area — that is, warrants to search for drugs in private homes — found that black and Hispanic residents were “significantly over-represented as targets of narcotics search warrants,” even after adjusting for usage rates. The study also found that “searches of White suspects were more successful in recovering the targeted drug than were searches of either Black or Hispanic suspects.” http://faculty.cwsl.edu/benner/aaRacialDisparityinNarcoticsSearchWarrants.pdf

 

 

When Harris County, Tex., saw a flaw in how drug testing was conducted at its crime lab, officials went back and exonerated dozens of people who had been wrongly convicted for possession — most pleaded guilty, despite their innocence. This is because prosecutors often promise harsher sentences or more charges for defendants who take a case to trial. Black people comprise 20 percent of the Harris County population but made up 62 percent of the wrongful drug convictions. https://www.texastribune.org/2017/03/07/report/

 

Alright, so I realize that many of you did not get this far and that this a lot of information to go through, if you actually give a shit. But I must say, for racism that “does not exist” in our criminal justice system, that sure does look like a mountain of evidence to show otherwise. I guess the blacks just bring it all on themselves? We can look at some other forms of racism that have put the black community behind the 8 ball at a later date when I have time.

 


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1 hour ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

I know there is at least one**** member on here that doesn’t have a clue what institutional (systemic) racism is.

Here he is.

2 minutes ago, Thebowflexbody said:

Are you the new Jungle?  Christ, guy.  Post the propaganda somewhere else.  Sheesh.

 

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11 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

based on what?

You don't really think he has an answer, do you?

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

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2 minutes ago, HipKat said:

You don't really think he has an answer, do you?

well we have a thread full of data, so i figured it would make debunking easy.

But, no i don't.

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It really should come down to 2 questions.

1. Have you done anything racist to anyone in your life?

2. Do you know anyone in your life who is racist?

If the answer to these questions is......... "NO", then you are fine. 

- end thread.

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1 minute ago, LIBills said:

It really should come down to 2 questions.

1. Have you done anything racist to anyone in your life?

2. Do you know anyone in your life who is racist?

If the answer to these questions is......... "NO", then you are fine. 

- end thread.

3. Do you live in a country with a racially biased criminal justice system? 

Yes

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2 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

3. Do you live in a country with a racially biased criminal justice system? 

Yes

If you believe that...........

Are you doing your part to change that?

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6 minutes ago, LIBills said:

If you believe that...........

Are you doing your part to change that?

Yep, I educate anyone who denies the reality of the subject. 

How much of my OP did you read? Do you have any counter points? Or are you just going to deny reality?


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21 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Yep, I educate anyone who denies the reality of the subject. 

How much of my OP did you read? Do you have any counter points? Or are you just going to deny reality?

I appreciate the post. I’m having some trouble opening the sociological forum link. It wants bitcoin or something 

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24 minutes ago, f8ta1ity54 said:

Yep, I educate anyone who denies the reality of the subject. 

How much of my OP did you read? Do you have any counter points? Or are you just going to deny reality?

I asked questions. Isn't that counter enough for you?

Your post is nothing that I haven't heard before. 

It's all been said over and over and over and over and over and over.

This country is NOT a racist country. Of course, there are ignorant people out there, but it's about 0.000001 of the population of the USA.

If this country was so racist, why is everyone trying to get it for a better life?

You never hear Asians cry racism. You never hear hard working Latinos cry racism. 

Maybe you should take the Morgan Freeman approach to racism............

DON'T TALK ABOUT IT....... he said and we won't have to worry about it. 

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6 hours ago, LIBills said:

I asked questions. Isn't that counter enough for you?

Your post is nothing that I haven't heard before. 

It's all been said over and over and over and over and over and over.

This country is NOT a racist country. Of course, there are ignorant people out there, but it's about 0.000001 of the population of the USA.

If this country was so racist, why is everyone trying to get it for a better life?

You never hear Asians cry racism. You never hear hard working Latinos cry racism. 

Maybe you should take the Morgan Freeman approach to racism............

DON'T TALK ABOUT IT....... he said and we won't have to worry about it. 

Asians and hard working Latinos aren't casually accosted by the police


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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14 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Asians and hard working Latinos aren't casually accosted by the police

Neither are Haitians, Jamaicans and Bahamians. Why is that you think? Obey the law and not assholes to cops? 
 

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Just now, Angry Byrds said:

Neither are Haitians, Jamaicans and Bahamians. Why is that you think? Obey the law and not assholes to cops? 
 

Ever been to Little Haiti in NY City?


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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24 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Ever been to Little Haiti in NY City?

No I’ve been to Fl where most of these islanders live. The majority of my black friends are from the islands, and they don’t act or dress like thugs. It’s probably why they are left alone 


 

 

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33 minutes ago, Angry Byrds said:

No I’ve been to Fl where most of these islanders live. The majority of my black friends are from the islands, and they don’t act or dress like thugs. It’s probably why they are left alone 

What I was going to say is that people who live in Little Haiti, hate American Black people.


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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8 hours ago, LIBills said:

I asked questions. Isn't that counter enough for you?

Your post is nothing that I haven't heard before. 

It's all been said over and over and over and over and over and over.

This country is NOT a racist country. Of course, there are ignorant people out there, but it's about 0.000001 of the population of the USA.

If this country was so racist, why is everyone trying to get it for a better life?

You never hear Asians cry racism. You never hear hard working Latinos cry racism. 

Maybe you should take the Morgan Freeman approach to racism............

DON'T TALK ABOUT IT....... he said and we won't have to worry about it. 

Dementia-Joe Biden says we're around 15% bad people.  I differ to the dementia sufferer.  LOL

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8 hours ago, HipKat said:

What I was going to say is that people who live in Little Haiti, hate American Black people.

Yeah I’ve noticed that with most islanders and Africans. 


 

 

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Abstract

Technologies for abusive language detection are being developed and applied with little consideration of their potential biases. We examine racial bias in five different sets of Twitter
data annotated for hate speech and abusive language. We train classifiers on these datasets and compare the predictions of these classifiers on tweets written in African-American
English with those written in Standard American English. The results show evidence of systematic racial bias in all datasets, as classifiers trained on them tend to predict that tweets
written in African-American English are abusive at substantially higher rates. If these abusive language detection systems are used in the field they will therefore have a disproportionate negative impact on African-American social media users. Consequently, these systems may discriminate against the groups who are often the targets of the abuse we are trying to detect.

Racial Bias in Hate Speech and Abusive Language Detection Datasets.pdf


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19 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Abstract

Technologies for abusive language detection are being developed and applied with little consideration of their potential biases. We examine racial bias in five different sets of Twitter
data annotated for hate speech and abusive language. We train classifiers on these datasets and compare the predictions of these classifiers on tweets written in African-American
English with those written in Standard American English. The results show evidence of systematic racial bias in all datasets, as classifiers trained on them tend to predict that tweets
written in African-American English are abusive at substantially higher rates. If these abusive language detection systems are used in the field they will therefore have a disproportionate negative impact on African-American social media users. Consequently, these systems may discriminate against the groups who are often the targets of the abuse we are trying to detect.

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Oh no! Black people say mean stuff online!! The outrage!!

Meanwhile blacka live through systemic racism still in 2020.

Yep, these two things are totally equal. Lol

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