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2 hours ago, jc856 said:

This is my opinion, and isn’t directed to you HK, but I’m not for fucking over the poor to benefit the rich either. I don’t give them a pass for that shit either. But I’m not at all ok with people being here that don’t belong here. Period. I’ve heard all the arguments already why we “need” them. And I’m all for penalizing the “employers” that hire them.

take care of our ( yes, our) people first. Veterans, homeless, and destitute. I’m totally tired of the “ humanity is one big family” shit. Until we’ve evolved to the point where we don’t need borders to separate our ideologies, WE HAVE BORDERS. AND LAWS. PERIOD.

Don’t like the laws? Change them.

One other thing, since when does being rich become a bad thing? Everyone in the world ( well, maybe not everyone) aspires to become rich. People seem to spit out the word and demonize it.  Not every rich person is a robber baron or corporate pirate. It’s the rich that crave power that you have to watch out for. Just my two euros 💶

The thing is, "those people" are being exploited to make an excuse to not help "our people". I don't want illegals here and I don't want them leeching off the gov't.,  but most of the people who are poor and don't have things like insurance are not illegals or "lazy people who don't want to work". In effect, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And people ARE trying to change the laws, but the right throws BS words like "socialism" and terms like "free ride", et al to try and change the focus form passing better laws to purporting their agenda and that's where accusations of racism, elitism, etc get thrown in

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9 hours ago, HipKat said:

Those have shit to do with "not wanting to work", but nice try, Mr Rhetoric.

Hate to tell you this, but most of those are good things. Fuck, I'm 5 grand in medical bills just for fucking tests I had and I chose the lowest deductable and max coverage on everything for my insurance. But then, a mouthpiece for the "benefit the rich at the expense of the poor, white-power, anti-immigrant party" would only say the things you do

And thats because a DemoRat ruined the healthcare system by forcing a monopolized system of insurance on you.  The system is so damn flawed its pathetic, but yay Obama did nothing wrong.

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Trump and Fox news loves to push crazy conspiracy theories. Remember Obama's birth certificate fiasco? A lot of republicans watch fox news and believe the lies Trump tweets and says.

Why isn't Trump releasing his tax records? What is he trying to hide.

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5 hours ago, jc856 said:

This is my opinion, and isn’t directed to you HK, but I’m not for fucking over the poor to benefit the rich either. I don’t give them a pass for that shit either. But I’m not at all ok with people being here that don’t belong here. Period. I’ve heard all the arguments already why we “need” them. And I’m all for penalizing the “employers” that hire them.

take care of our ( yes, our) people first. Veterans, homeless, and destitute. I’m totally tired of the “ humanity is one big family” shit. Until we’ve evolved to the point where we don’t need borders to separate our ideologies, WE HAVE BORDERS. AND LAWS. PERIOD.

Don’t like the laws? Change them.

One other thing, since when does being rich become a bad thing? Everyone in the world ( well, maybe not everyone) aspires to become rich. People seem to spit out the word and demonize it.  Not every rich person is a robber baron or corporate pirate. It’s the rich that crave power that you have to watch out for. Just my two euros 💶

Well said!!! I think you may have shut him up for a bit.


 

 

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1 hour ago, DC2007 said:

And thats because a DemoRat ruined the healthcare system by forcing a monopolized system of insurance on you.  The system is so damn flawed its pathetic, but yay Obama did nothing wrong.

Bullshit, he fucked that up royally and I'm getting financially beat by it. $1000.00 a month in premiums with max benefits in every category and I still have a $1200 nut for the Pet scan, out of pocket... and I already hit my deductible

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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1 minute ago, Angry Byrds said:

Well said!!! I think you may have shut him up for a bit.

Maybe you should take me off ignore and learn something


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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6 hours ago, HipKat said:

The thing is, "those people" are being exploited to make an excuse to not help "our people". I don't want illegals here and I don't want them leeching off the gov't.,  but most of the people who are poor and don't have things like insurance are not illegals or "lazy people who don't want to work". In effect, it's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And people ARE trying to change the laws, but the right throws BS words like "socialism" and terms like "free ride", et al to try and change the focus form passing better laws to purporting their agenda and that's where accusations of racism, elitism, etc get thrown in

The problem is there are “lazy people who don’t want to work.” In New York State there’s third generation welfare recipients that aren’t even trying to get off the system. Welfare should be a helping hand, not a way of life.  I’m all in favor of helping someone that has fell on hard times ,but there should be limits. And I agree, everyone should be able to get healthcare. That business has became so corrupt, exploited  and owns so many politicians it’s become  almost unfixable. 

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1 hour ago, Nuke said:

The problem is there are “lazy people who don’t want to work.” In New York State there’s third generation welfare recipients that aren’t even trying to get off the system. Welfare should be a helping hand, not a way of life.  I’m all in favor of helping someone that has fell on hard times ,but there should be limits. And I agree, everyone should be able to get healthcare. That business has became so corrupt, exploited  and owns so many politicians it’s become  almost unfixable. 

Not just NY, but in most major cities. I always ask, what happened to Clinton's Welfare to Work program? I was probably too sidetracked being young and in the 90's to pay attention to it at all, but wasn't that supposed to have limits on how long people could collect?


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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5 hours ago, Nuke said:

The problem is there are “lazy people who don’t want to work.” In New York State there’s third generation welfare recipients that aren’t even trying to get off the system. Welfare should be a helping hand, not a way of life.  I’m all in favor of helping someone that has fell on hard times ,but there should be limits. And I agree, everyone should be able to get healthcare. That business has became so corrupt, exploited  and owns so many politicians it’s become  almost unfixable. 

I know a few people that are acquaintances that are on permanent SSI for "mental disabilities" that previously worked for years. Apparently all you have to do is check yourself into a facility a couple of times and you are set. On their Facebook pages all I see are them living the life of an unemployed teenager telling us all about their hobbies and going out to parties and clubs on the weekend. It must be nice but everyday I see them I kick myself in the ass for being a party to funding this bullshit. Mental health is a real illness but they don't have it severe enough to not hold down a job.


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15 hours ago, jc856 said:

since when does being rich become a bad thing? Everyone in the world ( well, maybe not everyone) aspires to become rich. People seem to spit out the word and demonize it.  Not every rich person is a robber baron or corporate pirate. It’s the rich that crave power that you have to watch out for. Just my two euros 💶

the moral problem arises when 'the rich' are able to increase their wealth without creating a single job - except maybe that of their broker who specializes in micro-transactions

thus the rich are able to perpetually pad their wealth via tools unavailable to all but the very rich. paying a commission is all the work they have to do - and they share that broker

theres a reason the income gap is the largest in american history - to the point of being immoral. its bc the haves can make millions per week by hiring a broker to trade fractions of pennies a thousand times a second

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29 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

I know a few people that are acquaintances that are on permanent SSI for "mental disabilities" that previously worked for years. Apparently all you have to do is check yourself into a facility a couple of times and you are set. On their Facebook pages all I see are them living the life of an unemployed teenager telling us all about their hobbies and going out to parties and clubs on the weekend. It must be nice but everyday I see them I kick myself in the ass for being a party to funding this bullshit. Mental health is a real illness but they don't have it severe enough to not hold down a job.

I have a cousin who has been on SSI for 20 years because he’s depressed. I get that depression is a real problem, but, sitting home all day hasn’t made him any less depressed. 

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1 minute ago, Nuke said:

I have a cousin who has been on SSI for 20 years because he’s depressed. I get that depression is a real problem, but, sitting home all day hasn’t made him any less depressed. 

Exactly, I've found in my personal experience that when I'm down in the dumps getting shit done boosts my mood.


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Maybe the OP should look in the mirror before asking this question.

If you support the Democratic Party and have to ask if there is something wrong with the people on the right...............

then you have very little self awareness and live inside a bubble if you don't ask the same question to the other side.

Why don't you just ask a simple question instead of the stupid left-leaning question you present.............

What the fuck is wrong with politics? That should be your question.

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23 hours ago, HipKat said:

Bullshit, he fucked that up royally and I'm getting financially beat by it. $1000.00 a month in premiums with max benefits in every category and I still have a $1200 nut for the Pet scan, out of pocket... and I already hit my deductible

You keep beating this drum. 

“I spend too much on health care, blah blah blah”

There is ALWAYS a trade off.

For example, in Canada’s single payer system, the average citizen pays over $7,000 per year in extra taxes for their health care. (Proof)

”Yeah Lit, 7,000 is less than I pay, blah blah blah”

Yes, but for the couple extra grand you spend here, you get A LOT more here.

For example:

1) If you’re ill in a single payer system (like Canada) and need to see a specialist, you are going to wait on average 5 months. FIVE MONTHS. In the US, you can get into most specialists in a few weeks, if necessary.  (Proof)

2) Because single-payer systems need to ration their care, the long wait times keep ill people out of work. Fraser Institute said it cost Canadians nearly $2 Billion in lost wages last year. This works out to an average of about $1,822 for each Canadian waiting for treatment. Add $1,800 to the $7,000 extra they pay in taxes for health care and you’re now up to $8,800 out of pocket. (Proof)

3) Because single payer systems have no (or little) barrier to entry for healthcare, the hospitals become overcrowded. There are reports of tens of thousands of people needing to wait in the back of ambulances In England as emergency rooms are full (proof).

4) Citizens of single payer systems often leave their country and pay out of pocket in America for care. (Proof) (Proof2) (Proof3)

5) Because single payer systems lack revenue sufficient to provide for everyone, Doctors aren’t paid what they need in order to pay huge medical school debt. Therefore they are leaving countries with single payer systems. This is resulting in a physician shortage. (Proof)
 

Conclusion: I have watched for years as you spouted off against our health care system and it’s high cost and the need for a single payer system. No offense intended, but it’s painfully clear that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

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30 minutes ago, LIBills said:

Maybe the OP should look in the mirror before asking this question.

If you support the Democratic Party and have to ask if there is something wrong with the people on the right...............

then you have very little self awareness and live inside a bubble if you don't ask the same question to the other side.

Why don't you just ask a simple question instead of the stupid left-leaning question you present.............

What the fuck is wrong with politics? That should be your question.

I don’t support the Democratic Party.


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Epic post @LiterateStylish. Bravo.

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12 hours ago, SackMan518 said:

Exactly, I've found in my personal experience that when I'm down in the dumps getting shit done boosts my mood.

That's exactly what I do. I got back form Buffalo and had to do something so for the first time ever, I started digging up the old garden beds in front of my house. In 2 days I took the first one to this. I've never gardened or anything before but after this, I got myself invited to go hiking and for 3 hours, we had a blast. I got back feeling better than in a long time.

 

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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8 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

You keep beating this drum. 

“I spend too much on health care, blah blah blah”

There is ALWAYS a trade off.

For example, in Canada’s single payer system, the average citizen pays over $7,000 per year in extra taxes for their health care. (Proof)

”Yeah Lit, 7,000 is less than I pay, blah blah blah”

Yes, but for the couple extra grand you spend here, you get A LOT more here.

For example:

1) If you’re ill in a single payer system (like Canada) and need to see a specialist, you are going to wait on average 5 months. FIVE MONTHS. In the US, you can get into most specialists in a few weeks, if necessary.  (Proof)

2) Because single-payer systems need to ration their care, the long wait times keep ill people out of work. Fraser Institute said it cost Canadians nearly $2 Billion in lost wages last year. This works out to an average of about $1,822 for each Canadian waiting for treatment. Add $1,800 to the $7,000 extra they pay in taxes for health care and you’re now up to $8,800 out of pocket. (Proof)

3) Because single payer systems have no (or little) barrier to entry for healthcare, the hospitals become overcrowded. There are reports of tens of thousands of people needing to wait in the back of ambulances In England as emergency rooms are full (proof).

4) Citizens of single payer systems often leave their country and pay out of pocket in America for care. (Proof) (Proof2) (Proof3)

5) Because single payer systems lack revenue sufficient to provide for everyone, Doctors aren’t paid what they need in order to pay huge medical school debt. Therefore they are leaving countries with single payer systems. This is resulting in a physician shortage. (Proof)
 

Conclusion: I have watched for years as you spouted off against our health care system and it’s high cost and the need for a single payer system. No offense intended, but it’s painfully clear that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Umm, or not

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.

Myth #2: Doctors in Canada are flocking to the United States to practice.

Myth #3: Canada rations health care; that’s why hip replacements and cataract surgeries happen faster in the United States.

Myth #4: Canada has long wait times because it has a single-payer system.

The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.

Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.

Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.

In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.

Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.

Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.

 

Myth #5: Canada rations health care; the United States doesn’t.


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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1 hour ago, HipKat said:

Umm, or not

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.

Myth #2: Doctors in Canada are flocking to the United States to practice.

Myth #3: Canada rations health care; that’s why hip replacements and cataract surgeries happen faster in the United States.

Myth #4: Canada has long wait times because it has a single-payer system.

The wait times that Canada might experience are not caused by its being a single-payer system.

Wait times aren’t like cancer. We know what causes wait times; we know how to fix them. Spend more money.

Our single-payer system, which is called Medicare (see above), manages not to have the “wait times” issue that Canada’s does. There must, therefore, be some other reason for the wait times. There is, of course.

In 1966, Canada implemented a single-payer health care system, which is also known as Medicare. Since then, as a country, Canadians have made a conscious decision to hold down costs. One of the ways they do that is by limiting supply, mostly for elective things, which can create wait times. Their outcomes are otherwise comparable to ours.

Please understand, the wait times could be overcome. Canadians could spend more. They don’t want to. We can choose to dislike wait times in principle, but they are a byproduct of Canada’s choice to be fiscally conservative.

Yes, they chose this. In a rational world, those who are concerned about health care costs and what they mean to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, they attack the system.

Myth #5: Canada rations health care; the United States doesn’t.

lol, Uhm, what?

You quoted an AARP article from nearly a DECADE ago, while ignoring the EIGHT “proof” links I posted - Each of which is new within the last 1 to 3 years, AND are from respected sources such as:

- The official Canadian Institute for Health

- The official Canadian budget

- The Fraser Institute

- CBC

- The Toronto Sun

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry over the stupidity? Lol

Now, here is where it gets good.

And if HipKat had taken 5 minutes to research this, he would have found out too and saved himself the embarrassment.

The author of the article that HipKat posted (from nearly a decade ago), Dr Caroll, has since changed his tune a bit!!

Now he talks about the “sacrifices” that we will have to make if we move to single payer, how taxes will go up, benefits will be slashed, etc.

Basically a lot of what I said above. 

Why would he change his tune so much?

Perhaps in the near-DECADE since he wrote that article, more research has been done. And that research (which I posted “proof” links to and HipKat didn’t bother clicking) has led him to see that those “myths” are actually TRUTHS.

He still likes single payer, but he now admits the serious downsides to it. “Own it”.

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6 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

lol, Uhm, what?

You quoted an AARP article from nearly a DECADE ago, while ignoring the EIGHT “proof” links I posted - Each of which is new within the last 1 to 3 years, AND are from respected sources such as:

I dunno dude, it was 10 O'Clock and I had just worked a 15 hour day in 87 degree temps. Fact is, I don't give a fuck about Canada's insurance or Denmark's or Bolivia's for that matter. I care about mine and insurance in the US. Maybe if people spent less time looking at other countries, we could get some shit done in THIS country


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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I'm surprised that there are still people who are willing to defend what looks to me like a broken system in the US. Are people here who are so against a universal healthcare system aware that the US is the only First World country that doesn't have one?  Does this mean that the US got it right and the rest of the world got it wrong? 

I don't know about Canada, but here's my experience living in the UK, which will hopefully help to shed light on the differences in healthcare expenses in the US vs another country. 

So far this year I've paid £00.00 for my healthcare. Last year I also paid £00.00 and the year before that it was again in the neighborhood of £00.00. And as for ten years ago?  Yep, that's right; it was also £00.00.  (£00.00 translates to $00.00, by the way.) And as for individual check-ups I've had, it was exactly £00.00 each time. Now, I've always been a relatively healthy professor, so I have no direct experience with anything like a major operation, but some years ago I had a stomach virus or something like a stomach virus and had to take a week off work at the university.  At first the doctor I saw was worried it could be something more serious. So they ran a bunch of tests-- somewhat expensive ones, by the way, which actually made me feel a little guilty-- over the days that followed. They didn't really uncover anything noteworthy, and by the end of that week I was anyway already feeling better, so that was the end of that. How much was the bill that they presented me with for the tests?  I seem to recall that it was exactly £00.00.  

 

I've also lived in several other EU countries over the years. How much did healthcare cost there?  You guessed it: 00.00. 

 

I'll now contrast my experience with that of a close relative who lived in the US.  He worked hard all his life. He made wise investments in the stock market. He was set up for the rest of his days when he retired. Then one day he got early dementia, which became worse over time. He finally had to be put into a nursing home.  The monthly nursing-home bills at their height were upwards of 17-19 K per month. An astronomical sum, it seems to me. After a year or two and something like 300 K spent, his life savings were just about depleted, but then Medicare luckily kicked in. A few months later he died.

 

What would he have paid had he been living in the EU?  Exactly 00.00.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Professor Pigworth said:

I'm surprised that there are still people who are willing to defend what looks to me like a broken system in the US. Are people here who are so against a universal healthcare system aware that the US is the only First World country that doesn't have one?  Does this mean that the US got it right and the rest of the world got it wrong? 

 

Amen!

 

And as far as "waiting for care" that's only for ELECTIVE procedures, FFS, not required


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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7 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Amen!

And as far as "waiting for care" that's only for ELECTIVE procedures, FFS, not required

I forgot to mention that my stomach-virus illness -- or whatever it was; they never were able to confirm it-- was deemed by my doctor to be urgent, so I had the tests done almost immediately, starting the next day, I think. It's not like I had to wait weeks, which is what people who are against universal healthcare seem to assume.

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On 5/25/2020 at 5:47 PM, jc856 said:

This is my opinion, and isn’t directed to you HK, but I’m not for fucking over the poor to benefit the rich either. I don’t give them a pass for that shit either. But I’m not at all ok with people being here that don’t belong here. Period. I’ve heard all the arguments already why we “need” them. And I’m all for penalizing the “employers” that hire them.

take care of our ( yes, our) people first. Veterans, homeless, and destitute. I’m totally tired of the “ humanity is one big family” shit. Until we’ve evolved to the point where we don’t need borders to separate our ideologies, WE HAVE BORDERS. AND LAWS. PERIOD.

Don’t like the laws? Change them.

One other thing, since when does being rich become a bad thing? Everyone in the world ( well, maybe not everyone) aspires to become rich. People seem to spit out the word and demonize it.  Not every rich person is a robber baron or corporate pirate. It’s the rich that crave power that you have to watch out for. Just my two euros 💶

You've had some good posts in the past, this might be your best. At least the best one I've read.

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