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@DannyBoy My side is the absolute minority - the Common fucking Sense Party. It's the party that doesn't give pathological liars a free pass  just because they're white, put an R or a D next to their name or tipped the judicial scales in favor of one particular party. And right now, as fucked up as the left is, the Trump-loving faction the Republican party is completely bonkers. To sit back and watch a group throw collective tantrums just because they have their lips pressed to the ass of the most divisive and destructive so-called President in generations is disgusting.

Yeah, sounds great.  

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Dr Donald again overrules a health expert.  Dr Donald knows more than all the health experts put together. Dr Donald is a very intelligent, well-intentioned man.

My favorite quote from the below article is when Dr Donald said this: 

"But with the young children, I mean, and students, it's really -- just take a look at the statistics. It's pretty amazing," Mr Trump added.

Isn't Dr Donald amazingly eloquent?  Doesn't he have a great way with words? I think so.  For anyone who doesn't understand what he was trying to say, I'll try to translate for him:

"I am the walrus man and wear incontinent pants every day. There's quite a lot of putrefied mush in my head that I call my brains. And I'm a big fat fatty fraud playing at being president. I make my living off defrauding gullible suckers who actually believe I have their best interests at heart when the reality is that I'm a poorly educated, unqualified POS with a proven track record of fraud. It amazes me how I can lie, cheat and steal, and my sucker fans still love me. God, I can't believe how every day I virtually scream 'I'm an incompetent fraud!' and they still don't notice it."

 

 

Coronavirus: Trump Says Dr Fauci's Warning 'Not Acceptable'

 

US President Donald Trump has said a sobering warning by his top infectious diseases expert about lifting pandemic restrictions too soon was unacceptable.

He accused Dr Anthony Fauci of wanting "to play all sides of the equation" in his testimony to lawmakers on Tuesday.

The president said he was especially dissatisfied with Dr Fauci's caution around reopening schools too quickly.

Covid-19 has infected nearly 1.4 million people in the US and killed 84,000, while ravaging the economy.

 

What did the US president say?

Speaking on Wednesday at the White House, Mr Trump took issue with Dr Fauci's comments to a Senate hearing a day earlier about the risks to children of reopening and his assessment that a vaccine was unlikely before classes could begin this autumn.

"Look, he wants to play all sides of the equation," Mr Trump said of his top coronavirus expert's concerns.

 

"I was surprised by his answer actually, because, you know, it's just to me - it's not an acceptable answer, especially when it comes to schools," the president told reporters.

He said "the only thing that would be acceptable" is giving older teachers and professors a few more weeks before they return.

"Because this is a disease that attacks age, and it attacks health," the president said.

 

"But with the young children, I mean, and students, it's really -- just take a look at the statistics. It's pretty amazing," Mr Trump added.

The Republican president is keen to get Americans back to work and has praised governors who are moving to do so while criticising others for not acting aggressively enough.

The country is split over Mr Trump's focus on protecting livelihoods, critics accuse him of gambling with lives to serve his own political interests ahead of November's re-election bid.

The president's latest comments come amid reports of some young children being severely affected by an inflammatory syndrome that could be linked to the virus.

What did Dr Fauci say?

Speaking to lawmakers on Tuesday, the White House task force coronavirus expert warned that relaxing stay-at-home rules too quickly could bring more "suffering and death".

The director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases emphasised the importance of not being "cavalier in thinking that children are completely immune to the deleterious effects" of the disease.

 

Dr Fauci said: "We just have to see on a step-by-step basis as we get into the period of time with the fall, about reopening the schools, exactly where we will be in the dynamics of the outbreak."

The infectious disease chief also said the real US death toll is probably higher than the official figure.

What's the national picture?

On Wednesday, Maryland's Governor Larry Hogan said he was lifting that state's stay-at-home measure, replacing it on Friday with a "safer-at-home" order.

The Republican, who has been critical of Mr Trump, cited a two-week decline in severe cases and deaths that federal guidelines recommend.

 

On Wednesday, Wisconsin's Supreme Court overturned Democratic Governor Tony Evers' stay-at-home order, ruling it "unenforceable" and "unlawful" in a victory for the Republican-led legislature.

A majority of states have begun a phased reopening approach. In some, like Texas and Georgia, public spaces and businesses have also been allowed to reopen.

New York, California, Washington DC, New Jersey and Illinois are among those with shutdowns still in place.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52656959?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world&link_location=live-reporting-story

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Have a look at the list of the top 13 states, ranked in order for Stupid-19 deaths per capita, and the political party of their respective governors.

 

 

 

  1. New York: D - Andrew Cuomo
  2. New Jersey: D - Phil Murphy
  3. Louisiana: D - John Bel Edwards
  4. Massachusetts: D - Charlie Baker
  5. Connecticut: D - Ned Lamont
  6. Rhode Island: D - Gina Raimondo
  7. Michigan: D - Gretchen Witmer
  8. Pennsylvania: D - Tom Wolf
  9. Delaware: D - John Carney
  10. Illinois: D - J.B. Pritzker
  11. Maryland: R - Larry Hogan
  12. Washington: D - Jay Inslee
  13. Colorado: D - Jared Polis

 

 

And that single Republican’t on the list – Larry Hogan of Maryland (aka "Lockdown Larry") – happens to be a "moderate," anti-Trump, pro-Paris Climate Accord, pro-abortion, Establishment RINO (Republican-In-Name-Only) presiding over a thoroughly Democrat-dominated state (2-1 margins in both State Senate & State Assembly!) infested with Federal employee voters. So, in reality, the top 13 states death-wise-per-capita amount to a 13-0 sweep for the D's -- an 8,192 to 1 probability (2 to the 13th power) if we consider that each of the top 13 should be a 50-50.

 

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If people can lay off of their addiction to Trump(and spin) for a moment, maybe listening to some logic directed toward Fauci instead of the usual softballs might be to your liking.

Fraudci is clever with his weasel-wording, and this Dr Paul is far kinder than the elder Dr Paul likely would have been to this enemy of our nation. However, this is the best we're going to get other than possibly the controlled opposition exposing Tony's enormously dirty past, and that will of course will be banned from the eyes of most.  The con-man is fortunate he was able to get the last word in.  As evidenced by the comments, it did not matter too much in the minds of those who listened to this video, one without any commentary(spin) attached to it:  (AKA: "America says Dr Fraudci's warning is not acceptable")

(EDIT: audio is fine once you get to the 20 second mark)

 

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"I don't think I'm easy to talk about. I've got a very irregular head. And I'm not anything that you think I am anyway".

-Syd Barrett, founder of Pink Floyd. Rolling Stone, December 1971

 

https://oathkeepers.org/about/

 

Europa: The last Battle is possibly the most useful documentary in existence in terms of understanding how society came to be like it currently is: https://search.bitchute.com/renderer?use=bitchute-json&name=Search&login=bcadmin&key=7ea2d72b62aa4f762cc5a348ef6642b8&query=Europa+The+Last+Battle

 

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While Twitter(and other social media) BANS actual doctors and scientists who dare question the official narrative(science does not work that way, quantum physics was not banned when it challenged Newtonian models), look who they now list as an "expert".  

This might make one reconsider letting the establishment tell you who "experts" are.   They often are those who are adept con"men".  

It's become apparent that the main qualification to be an  "expert" is to be an alarmist/shill, like Fraudci and Grim Greta:   (ironically, someone whose country was the one which did not lock down, and therefor can't even relate that well to us).  These qualities are needed to build a narrative which "necessitates" sweeping change that otherwise would have been readily rejected.

 

Apparently in certain occasions, the "kid card" trumps the race card(although I guess Sanjay Gupta kind of covers that base). Check out the promo photo further down, and you'll understand the selection process a bit better.

 

Greta Thunberg Named To CNN’s ‘Expert’ Coronavirus Panel; Twitter Explodes

By Eric A. Blair
Published May 13, 2020 at 3:03pm
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CNN will hold a town hall on Thursday on the coronavirus pandemic titled “Coronavirus Facts and Fears.”

 

The show will feature CNN broadcaster Sanjay Gupta and network anchor Anderson Cooper as hosts and will feature former Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Richard Besser.

Oh, and the panel will include “expert” Greta Thunberg, the 17-year-old climate alarmist from Sweden who dropped out of high school to travel the world alarming people.

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Former acting CDC director Richard Besser, former HHS secretary Kathleen Sebelius and activist Greta Thunberg join @AndersonCooper@DrSanjayGupta for a live #CNNTownHall. Coronavirus - Facts and Fears, Thursday at 8 p.m. ET

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The news that Greta will be featured as an “expert” imploded on Twitter — and even liberals mocked the move.

“What place does Greta Thunberg have in this town hall?” wrote Yashar Ali, a writer at New York magazine and a HuffPost contributor.

“Greta Thunberg? Now, she’s a COVID expert? @CNN is a joke!” said another Twitterer.

“Not picking on the kid,” said another. “Picking on a ‘news’ network for featuring a child to inform the public.”

Same people who watch CNN and work there make fun of an actual doctor like @RandPaul asking questions at a hearing on the virus yesterday will now celebrate 17 year old Greta Thunberg as an expert on a town hall to discuss the virus. These people are positively nuts,” wrote another.

 

Same people who watch CNN and work there make fun of an actual doctor like @RandPaul asking questions at a hearing on the virus yesterday will now celebrate 17 year old Greta Thunberg as an expert on a town hall to discuss the virus. These people are positively nuts. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1260588233877905408 

 
 
 
 

 

Said another: “Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome aboard flight 628 to Sydney, Australia on this Airbus A320. I’m your captain, John – a 20 year USAF veteran. My copilots are Steve, a former Fed Ex pilot with 50,000 logged commercial hours, and teenage activist Greta Thunberg.”

Greta became a media darling after she appeared at the United Nations and famously asked world leaders, “How dare you!?” She was awarded Time’s Person of the Year award while also being nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2019.

She claimed earlier this year that she had recovered from what she believed was a mild case of coronavirus.

Even Donald Trump Jr. got in on the fun.

“Greta Thunberg having a remarkable career already in that as a teenager she’s now a world renowned infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist AND a leading scientific voice when it comes to global climate policy. Just wow so impressive,” Trump wrote.

 

 

 


"I don't think I'm easy to talk about. I've got a very irregular head. And I'm not anything that you think I am anyway".

-Syd Barrett, founder of Pink Floyd. Rolling Stone, December 1971

 

https://oathkeepers.org/about/

 

Europa: The last Battle is possibly the most useful documentary in existence in terms of understanding how society came to be like it currently is: https://search.bitchute.com/renderer?use=bitchute-json&name=Search&login=bcadmin&key=7ea2d72b62aa4f762cc5a348ef6642b8&query=Europa+The+Last+Battle

 

https://nativeamericanchurches.org/

 

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Click to enlarge:  (maybe you can notice the common threads now)

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"I don't think I'm easy to talk about. I've got a very irregular head. And I'm not anything that you think I am anyway".

-Syd Barrett, founder of Pink Floyd. Rolling Stone, December 1971

 

https://oathkeepers.org/about/

 

Europa: The last Battle is possibly the most useful documentary in existence in terms of understanding how society came to be like it currently is: https://search.bitchute.com/renderer?use=bitchute-json&name=Search&login=bcadmin&key=7ea2d72b62aa4f762cc5a348ef6642b8&query=Europa+The+Last+Battle

 

https://nativeamericanchurches.org/

 

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This guy is a good illustration of the fearmongering mindset numerous posts on here promote  :)

 

 

 


"I don't think I'm easy to talk about. I've got a very irregular head. And I'm not anything that you think I am anyway".

-Syd Barrett, founder of Pink Floyd. Rolling Stone, December 1971

 

https://oathkeepers.org/about/

 

Europa: The last Battle is possibly the most useful documentary in existence in terms of understanding how society came to be like it currently is: https://search.bitchute.com/renderer?use=bitchute-json&name=Search&login=bcadmin&key=7ea2d72b62aa4f762cc5a348ef6642b8&query=Europa+The+Last+Battle

 

https://nativeamericanchurches.org/

 

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Oh so Trump eschewed the advice of Dr. Falsi and now people claim that The Donald is a doctor? Not so, there are many experts out there who say the lock down was a mistake and Dr. Falsi doesn't have the best interests of the country at heart. Maybe do a Google search to see that the COVID-19 action plan we put in place was not the result of an overwhelming consensus of doctors and experts as many voices are being heard who don't agree. Or you could look at Sweden's mortality rate who was one of the few countries who didn't shut down.

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COVID-19: How does coronavirus compare to other outbreaks?

 

Coronavirus vs. Hong Kong flu (H3N2) – 1968-1969

The Hong Kong flu pandemic appeared on 13th July 1968 – by 1969 it had caused 1-4 million deaths worldwide. It was one of the biggest flu pandemics of the 20th century, but fortunately had a lower CFR than the outbreak of 1918 so caused fewer deaths overall.

This may have been because people had developed immunity due to a similar outbreak in 1957, and thanks to improved medical care. 

Compared to the Hong Kong flu, coronavirus:

  • is less widespread
  • has resulted in fewer deaths
  • has a higher CFR. 

 


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

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And this, from FB user Joshua Ross, a Physician that a good friend's sister works with

Ok, so, here’s some venting and some explaining and if you don’t like it, I honestly don’t care. Move on and good day to you.

This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here’s the deal: it’s real and it’s here and it’s still spreading.
As a healthcare worker, I’m exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the healthcare industry, it’s been one of the longest, most stressful things I’ve tackled.
First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you’re not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor’s or whatever level of government’s handling of things, it’s not constructive.

Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it’s serious. And we’re serious people when it comes to people’s health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don’t know why. I’m so tired of people acting like there’s information that’s being cooked up or withheld. You know why there are lots of gaps in the information? Because we’re still learning about this virus every day. It’s new. It’s never been seen. How it acts, how it spreads, why it does the things it does is all new and we’re learning on the fly. Stop mistaking genuine lack of information for misinformation or withheld information.

The numbers: this one sticks in my craw like no other. “I heard they didn’t die from COVID-19, they died from a heart attack but they were positive so they called it COVID-19 to boost the numbers and scare people.” Stop. It. Do you know how many people died specifically from AIDS? Zero. AIDS patients die from pneumonia or some other illness normal, healthy people fight off because the AIDS virus destroyed their immune system and they couldn’t fight off the infection. But at the heart of it, they died because of AIDS. The coronavirus attacks the respiratory system. The respiratory system is, in case you didn’t know, pretty important to sustaining life. It also has a huge impact on how other organ systems, like the heart, work. Guess what, when your lungs don’t work because they’ve basically filled with brick mortar because the virus is attacking them, that puts a bit of a strain on your ticker and very well can cause it to fail. So unless you have a basic understanding of or want to understand how interconnected organ systems are and how the body fundamentally functions: stop.
I think I can speak for a lot of medical professionals when I say, we don’t mean to be arrogant, we don’t mean to be jerks, but damn it, this Bullsh!t is frustrating and yes, we’re going to clap back to ignorance. Ignorance is not something to be flaunted and there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is being uninformed. Stop being willfully ignorant and even reveling in it because it doesn’t fit your preconceived narrative or opinion. Even worse, stop pretending you’re not ignorant because you watched some damn YouTube video or read some op-ed piece. That’s someone’s opinion, normally based on nothing. NOTHING. No research. That’s not information. That’s not factual. That’s not based in science. It’s click-bait with the sole intention of riling you up and getting you to let your guard down. And instead of being pissed at the virus that’s causing all this, it’s to direct your anger at the government or doctors or anywhere else their agenda wants it directed.

Medical people are fired up for a couple of reasons. 1 month ago, we were all heroes and putting our lives on the line because this was dangerous stuff. Well, I think I can speak for most of us when I say we aren’t heroic, we’re just doing our job. But guess what, we’re still doing the same damn thing we were doing a month ago and this crap still hasn’t gone away but now we’re “just trying to scare people” because “it’s really no big deal.” We aren’t looking for a pat on the back or even a thank you, we just want you to do what we all need to do to stop this thing and avoid the spread. Listen, if you think that my big fat ass enjoys sweating like a whore in church in an isolation gown, walking around like Mr Magoo because my glasses are fogged up because of my mask, and wearing goggles that dig into the backs of my ears because I’m “just a sheep,” you are mistaken. It’s because I don’t want this virus and I don’t want to take it home to my family and I don’t want to infect my co-workers and other patients. We’re fired up because we’ve seen and even performed intubations. We don’t intubate for funsies. Outside of the surgical setting, an intubation is basically throwing a Hail Mary to save someone’s life. And when the mortality rate once that plastic tube slides between your vocal cords with COVID-19 is 85-89%, yeah, that’s terrifying. This virus is dangerous.

Lastly, stop being spoiled children about public health advisories. Stop bitching about wearing a mask when you’re in public places. Stop pretending that that is somehow infringing on your rights. Get over yourself. I wish all businesses would grow a pair and refuse service to people who refuse to wear a mask “out of principle.” Police aren’t inclined to enforce it and that’s fine but, spoiler alert, private businesses have and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Don’t tell me it’s ok for a bakery to refuse service to a gay couple for a wedding cake on religious grounds but not ok for a convenience store to refuse service because they don’t want the outbreak monkey strolling through their place coughing all over other patrons and their staff. Stay outside the 6ft bubble, wear a damn mask, and wash your hands. It’s that easy. Stop pretending they’re asking for a kidney. It’s as much to protect yourself as it is everyone else. People wonder why we have things like stay-at-home orders and closing of non-essential businesses. It’s because of you, jackass, you’re the problem. It’s your lack of ability to exercise common sense and your refusal to follow simple, insanely simple advice that forces the government to exercise it for you. And even then, you still thumb your nose at it in all your ignorant glory. Sorry that you feel like they’re infringing on your right to be an irresponsible child.

Look, all I’m saying is I get that it’s frustrating and I get that it’s irritating and inconvenient and all the other bad things that it is, but please, continue to take this seriously, continue to do the little things that make a big difference. Stop denying facts, science, and the advice from people who have spent a lifetime doing what they do in the medical and research fields to ultimately make everyone’s lives healthier, safer, and better.

I’m done with my soapbox now.


“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

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Jared Kushner Reportedly Convinced Trump in March That Coronavirus Testing Was a Bad Idea

The president's son-in-law allegedly claimed that too many tests and ventilators might hurt the stock market. 
May 14, 2020
 
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At one of Donald Trump's press conferences this week, he appeared with a banner behind him proclaiming in all caps that "AMERICA LEADS THE WORLD IN TESTING." It was an obvious lie—the U.S. lags far behind other countries that have managed to get their coronavirus outbreaks under control, like Denmark, Germany, and New Zealand.

But despite swaths of the country shutting down for two months, the U.S. is still basically where it was when the pandemic started in terms of testing, and experts say that there's no realistic way to return to normal without doubling or tripling the number of tests administered every day. That's nowhere near as optimistic as White House adviser Jared Kushner was when he told Fox News that the administration's response was "a great success story" and the country will "be back to normal" and "really rocking again" by July.

Kushner, it turns out, is reportedly one of the people directly responsible for the country's extreme delays in rolling out tests when the outbreak started. That's according to the Financial Times, which recently published a deep-dive into the Trump administration's chaotic and denial-plagued coronavirus response. One of Donald Trump's confidants, who's regularly in touch with the president, put the blame squarely on Kushner, saying, "Jared had been arguing that testing too many people, or ordering too many ventilators, would spook the markets and so we just shouldn’t do it. That advice worked far more powerfully on [Trump] than what the scientists were saying. He thinks they always exaggerate."

 
 

If the U.S. appeared concerned about the coronavirus pandemic, the logic went, then that might hurt the stock market. Back in March, the White House felt like it had 2020 in the bag, and that Trump's reelection was all but inevitable. Stephen Moore, a Trump campaign adviser and member of the far-right Heritage Foundation, told the Times, "The economy was just steaming along, the stock market was firing on all cylinders and that jobs report was fantastic. It was almost too perfect. Nobody expected this virus. It hit us like a meteor or a terrorist attack."

Of course Kushner's advice did nothing to prevent a market crash, and it's likely that the administration's refusal to act in time only threw the economy into more chaos. And while the stock market largely affects the investment portfolios of the rich (the wealthiest 10 percent of Americans own more than 80 percent of stocks), the fallout has the rest of the country reeling, with a historic 36 million people filing unemployment claims.

Trump tends to respond very poorly to news that contradicts what he wants to hear, and Kushner seems to have a knack for convincing the president that only best-case scenarios are likely. One White House official told the Financial Times that advising Trump is like "bringing fruits to the volcano" to convince it not to erupt: "You’re trying to appease a great force that’s impervious to reason." Which is why, with already 84,000 Americans dead and with no coordinated testing and tracing strategy on the horizon, we should brace ourselves for what's being anticipated as the "darkest winter in modern history."

 

https://www.gq.com/story/kushner-too-much-testing


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Remember when Trump said " there are good people on both sides"? This is why white supremacists love Trump.

 

 


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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-will-have-to-fight-emoluments-lawsuit-in-us-supreme-court-2020-5

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Trump will have to go to the Supreme Court to defeat a lawsuit accusing his DC hotel of violating the Constitution by taking payments from foreign governments

 
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Trump International Hotel in downtown Washington.  Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP
  • A federal appeals court just ruled to revive a lawsuit from the Attorneys General of Maryland and the District of Columbia accusing President Donald Trump of illegally profiting off of his Washington DC hotel. 
  • In a 9-6 decision, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against Trump in the suit, which accuses the president of violating the foreign emoluments clause of the Constitution by soliciting business from foreign governments at his hotel.
  • Now, Trump's lawyers will have to go to the US Supreme Court to seek an appeal of Thursday's decision, but there is no guarantee the high court will hear the case. 
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A federal appeals court ruled on Thursday to revive a lawsuit filed by the attorneys general of Maryland and the District of Columbia accusing President Donald Trump of illegally profiting off of his hotel in Washington DC. 

In a 9-6 decision, a full panel from the Fourth Circuit US Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, ruled against Trump in allowing a lawsuit to proceed that accuses the president of violating the foreign and domestic emoluments clauses of the US constitution by soliciting business from foreign officials and nationals at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC. 

Thursday's en banc decision reverses a July 2019 decision from a three-judge panel on the Fourth Circuit that dismissed the suit on the grounds that the attorneys general did not have proper standing to sue. 

Now, Trump's lawyers will have to go to the US Supreme Court to overturn Thursday's decision from the entire Fourth Circuit allowing the suit to proceed to discovery.

"We disagree with the decision of the Fourth Circuit. This case is another example of Presidential harassment. We will be seeking review at the Supreme Court," Jay Sekulow, a personal attorney to Trump, said in a text message to Insider. 

While there is no guarantee that the Supreme Court would hear Trump's appeal, other federal courts have ruled differently on similar lawsuits accusing Trump of emoluments clauses violations, laying the groundwork for a significant conflict among circuits that the high court may want to address. 

In February of this year, the DC Circuit Court of Appeals moved to dismiss a similar lawsuit from 200 Democratic members of Congress accusing foreign spending at Trump properties of violating the foreign emoluments clause, ruling that the plaintiffs did not have the standing to bring the suit. 

But in September 2019, a three-judge panel of the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in New York revived a separate lawsuit from watchdog group the Center for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington (CREW) and some hotel and restaurant industry groups also accusing Trump of violating the foreign emoluments clause, reversing a district court judge's previous dismissal of the suit. The Justice Department has appealed that decision to the entire 2nd Circuit but there hasn't been any substantive movement on the request.

Even if the Supreme Court decided to take one or more emoluments cases it's unclear whether the issue would be fully resolved before the 2020 presidential election, especially considering that the DC and 2nd Circuits have been slower than the 4th Circuit to rule on the current emoluments-related lawsuits. A Trump loss in November could render the entire legal fight moot.

The domestic emoluments clause, located within Article II of the US Constitution, says the president "shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States," which could encompass any federal funds spent at a Trump property, for example.

And the "Nobility Clause" of the Constitution located in Article I, Section 9 decrees that "no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

While most presidents divest from their businesses and assets upon taking office or put them in a blind trust to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, Trump has not done so. He still is the owner of the company, while the trust of his assets are managed by his sons Donald Jr. and Eric — both executive vice-presidents at the Trump Organization — and Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg. 

One complicating factor to resolving questions surrounding whether Trump is violating the emoluments clause is that it largely hasn't been tested in court, and there is little to no precedent in court for a US president being sued over emoluments violations at all.

Last fall, Trump sparked controversy for suggesting that the US host the 2020 G7 summit at a Trump Organization property, the struggling Doral golf resort in Miami, which would have required a number of foreign leaders and their staff to directly pay the Trump Organization. 

At the time, a number of legal experts told Insider that such a decision would almost certainly violate the foreign emoluments clause of the constitution, which Trump called "phony."

 

 

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26 minutes ago, junglesouljah said:

This is where being such great friends with/contributor to Hilly Clinton could come in very handy!  He could call in a favor and ask how they remained out of trouble when China donated so heavily to their campaign in exchange for missle technology, Wen Ho Lee, and heaven knows how much else I don't recall off the top of my head.  Here, maybe this will help:

Jungle, I don't like arguing with you or even expect you to read this being I know you didnt follow anything until it became worthwhile due to the cult of personality of Trump drawing you in, but just check out the last few sentences I highlighted for you and anyone else.

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Not All Foreign-Influence Scandals Are Created Equal

By JOHN FUND
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This summer we mark the 20th anniversary of a major investigation by Congress of attempts by a hostile foreign power to influence an American presidential election.

I’m glad the news media is pursuing the Trump–Russia scandal, but let’s not forget the differences between how they are covering Russia compared with how they reported a similar story — this one involving Communist China — that developed during Bill Clinton’s 1996 reelection campaign. The Washington Post reported in 1998 that “evidence gathered in federal surveillance intercepts has indicated that the Chinese government planned to increase China’s influence in the U.S. political process in 1996.”

Many people still believe that a major cover-up of that scandal worked — in part because the media expressed skepticism and devoted only a fraction of resources they are spending on the Trump–Russia story. Network reporters expressed outright skepticism of the story, with many openly criticizing the late senator Fred Thompson, the chair of the Senate investigating committee, for wasting time and money. On June 17, 1997, Katie Couric, then the Today co-anchor, asked the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward about the story: “Are members of the media, do you think, Bob, too scandal-obsessed, looking for something at every corner?”

According to an analysis by the Media Research Center, the news coverage of the congressional hearings on the China scandal in the summer of 1997 were dwarfed by reports on the murder of fashion designer Gianni Versace and the death of Princess Diana.

The Chinese fundraising scandal involving DNC finance vice chairman John Huang first came to light in the final weeks of the 1996 presidential campaign. A former Commerce Department official, Huang was a top fundraiser who scooped up suspect foreign cash for Team Clinton.

A 1998 Senate Government Affairs Committee report on the scandal found “strong circumstantial evidence” that a great deal of foreign money had illegally entered the country in an attempt to influence the 1996 election. The DNC was forced to give back more than $2.8 million in illegal or improper donations from foreign nationals.

The most suspect funds were brought in by Johnny Chung, a bagman for the Asian billionaire Riady family. Chung confessed that at least $35,000 of his donations to the Clinton campaign and the DNC had come from a Chinese aerospace executive — a lieutenant colonel in the Chinese military. Chung said the executive had helped him meet three times with General Ji Shengde, the head of Chinese military intelligence. According to Chung’s testimony, General Shengde had told him: “We really like your president. We hope he will be reelected. I will give you $300,000 U.S. dollars. You can give it to . . . your president and the Democratic party.”

The sprawling fundraising scandal ultimately led to 22 guilty pleas on various violations of election laws.

The sprawling fundraising scandal ultimately led to 22 guilty pleas on various violations of election laws. Among the Clinton fundraisers and friends who pleaded guilty were John Huang, Charlie Trie, James Riady, and Michael Brown, son of the late Clinton Commerce secretary Ron Brown. But many questions went unanswered, even after the revelations that Clinton had personally authorized offering donors Oval Office meetings and use of the Lincoln bedroom. A total of 120 participants in the fundraising scandal either fled the country, asserted their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination, or otherwise avoided questioning. The stonewalling worked — and probably encouraged Hillary Clinton in her own cover-up of her private e-mail server and her ties with the Clinton Foundation.

Indeed, much of the media basically gave the Clintons a pass on evidence that special-interest donors to the Clinton Foundation frequently managed to score favors from the State Department. Journalist Peter Schweitzer revealed in his book Clinton Cash that State had helped move along an infamous deal that granted the Russians control of more than 20 percent of the uranium production here in the United States. The company involved in acquiring the American uranium was a very large donor to — you guessed it — the Clinton Foundation.

None of this history should dissuade the media from questioning the White House’s often shifting and blatantly inaccurate accounts of what happened and who was involved and when. Either the president’s team is infected with a self-destructive gene or they really do have something to hide.

But a little humility and honesty on the part of the media would be appropriate. Much of the breathless and constant coverage of the Russia scandal is motivated by the media’s hatred of Donald Trump, which is of course reciprocated.

When it came to the Clintons, the media tended to downplay or even trivialize many of their scandals.

When it came to the Clintons, the media tended to downplay or even trivialize many of their scandals. But, to be fair, a little bit of self-awareness is beginning to show up in the Russia coverage. Last Thursday, Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC noted that when it came to “opening the door” to lowering the standards of conduct by a modern president, Bill Clinton led the way with his lying and scandalous behavior. She was referring, of course, to the Lewinsky scandal, but her comments are equally appropriate to the many other Clinton scandals that didn’t receive wall-to-wall coverage.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/chinese-illegally-donated-bill-clinton-reelection-campaign-media-downplayed/

 

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1 hour ago, 212frawk said:

Wait, Trump's people lie?

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

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HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

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Trump lovers

 

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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Pardon me for this common sense moment...

 

 

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“There he goes. One of God's own prototypes.

A high-powered mutant of some kind, never even considered for mass production.

Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”

 

Twitter: @HKTheResistance

 

HipKat, on *** other h***, is genuine, unapoli***tically nasty, and w**** his hea** on his ******. jc856

I’ll just forward them to Bridgett. comssvet11

Seek help. soflabillsfan

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3 hours ago, HipKat said:

Pardon me for this common sense moment...

That tweet is hilarious in so many ways namely that it was put up by washed up D-list celebrity Alyssa Milano who has probably benefited greatly from those tax cuts with her particular tax bracket, the House which is Democrat controlled puts together these bills normally so they're complicit, and it's the usual Democrat stance of using the working class people as pawns so they can push through agendas that normally fuck over these very same constituents. Let me assure you HipKat, as a white man they don't give two shits about you and never will. If anything the Democrats need their own MAGA movement to get the turds running the DNC out of politics and into prison cells.


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