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6'3"+ Wide Receivers that ran faster than 4.5....and slower. Where will they be drafted?

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WR speed note:

In the last 10 years, sixty (60)  WRs 6’3”+ ran than slower than 4.50.   Of those 60 Wide Receivers, only two went in the first round:

Kelvin Benjamin & Mike Evans

In the last 10 years,  forty one (41) WRs 6’3”+ have run faster than 4.50.

Yet of those, only 6 of them were ultimately picked in RD1. 

Julio Jones. Kevin White. Michael Floyd. DeVante Parker. A.J. Green. Jon Baldwin.

 

So if you are 6'3" or taller, you really need to run a sub 4.5 to get drafted high.  But even that doesn't guarantee you get drafted in the 1st round.
Which WRs are 6'3"+ this year?

Denzel Mims, 6'3"
Chase Claypool, 6' 4"
Gabriel Davis, 6'3" 
Michael Pittman, 6'4"
Tee Higgins, 6'4"
Bryan Edwards, 6'3" (won't compete at combine)
Isaiah Hodgins, 6'4" (sleeper)
Jauan Jennings, 6'3"
Collin Johnson, 6'6"
Juwan Johnson, 6'4"


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Watch Josh Allen’s rookie highlight reel and watch how many catches KB had. More than you’d remember. And MOST of those catches were of the “throw it up and let’s see what happens” variety. 


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1 hour ago, seandelevan said:

Watch Josh Allen’s rookie highlight reel and watch how many catches KB had. More than you’d remember. And MOST of those catches were of the “throw it up and let’s see what happens” variety. 

Buffalo's offense lacked a big physical X WR that consistently made catches by boxing out the defender and high pointing the ball.

When Benjamin was focused he had some big plays.

I expect Beane to draft 2 WR's if he doesn't sign a WR in free agency.

There are a lot of talented big WR's in the draft that have a good Body Mass Index and are fast for their size.

 


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7 minutes ago, junglesouljah said:

Buffalo's offense lacked a big physical X WR that consistently made catches by boxing out the defender and high pointing the ball.

When Benjamin was focused he had some big plays.

I expect Beane to draft 2 WR's if he doesn't sign a WR in free agency.

There are a lot of talented big WR's in the draft that have a good Body Mass Index and are fast for their size.

For WR2's Denzel Mims in the 3rd or Chase Claypool in the 4th are two interesting possibility.
A sleeper (4th round?) is Isaiah Hodges from Oregon State (if he runs a decent 40).  He caught 86 passes for 1,171 yards and 13 touchdowns this past season.

 


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13 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

For WR2's Denzel Mims in the 3rd or Chase Claypool in the 4th are two interesting possibility.
A sleeper (4th round?) is Isaiah Hodges from Oregon State (if he runs a decent 40).  He caught 86 passes for 1,171 yards and 13 touchdowns this past season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo traded down a couple of slots in the 1st round and took Denzel Mims in the late 1st round or if the drafted him in the 2nd round.

I love the ability of Chase Claypool and Micheal Pittman Jr.

I have been high on Isaiah Hodges for a while now.


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Just now, junglesouljah said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo traded down a couple of slots in the 1st round and took Denzel Mims in the late 1st round or if the drafted him in the 2nd round.

I love the ability of Chase Claypool and Micheal Pittman Jr.

I have been high on Isaiah Hodges for a while now.

I have Pittman rated above Claypool and Hodges.

There is some good height weight speed WR's in this draft.

 


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Officially Isaiah Hodgins was measured in at 6'3 1/2" at the combine with an 80" wingspan at 210lbs. 


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Chase Claypool weighed in at 6'4.2"  238lbs with 80 inch wingspan. 

Brandon Aiyuk is an abnormality.    Only 5'11" but has long arms and an 80" wingspan.


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On 2/23/2020 at 10:13 PM, seandelevan said:

Oh I think they’ll draft two as well......in rounds 4 and 5. 

They'll definitely find someone who will be classified as a sleeper, maybe another smurf (they like smurfs). And best of all, it will be a late, throw away pick.

When you get into the late rounds, you're looking for the best available player. :-)

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8 minutes ago, jamsim67 said:

They'll definitely find someone who will be classified as a sleeper, maybe another smurf (they like smurfs). And best of all, it will be a late, throw away pick.

When you get into the late rounds, you're looking for the best available player. :-)

Absolutely (regarding late picks).    The Bills have two 5th round picks and three 6th round picks.    The BPA in rounds 5 and 6 will probably be WRs.  You usually don't find a Offensive Lineman that late.    So with 5 picks in rounds 5 & 6 that almost have to use one on a WR.  Maybe a WR with special teams skills.     Another position that seems deep in the 5th round is running back.    Especially if he can play special teams.

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So the WRs ran the 40 at the combine on Thursday, and the talking heads are talking about guys that "blazed" and are being pushed up the board!

 

But remember, again, history shows it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference.   Teams look at the tape and give a player a grade and use that as when to draft the player.

Sure, Chase Claypool ran a fast 40 but if a team had him as a 4th round grade, he is still probably a 4th round grade.

 


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The thing is, Josh doesn’t really even try to throw those 50/50 balls.

He has someone in Knox who can catch them and he threw what? 3 all year to him?


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1 hour ago, LiterateStylish said:

The thing is, Josh doesn’t really even try to throw those 50/50 balls.

He has someone in Knox who can catch them and he threw what? 3 all year to him?

Yeah, but Knox was about 50/50 on catching anything, so I can’t really blame Allen for that.  Hopefully, Knox will remember to catch THEN run this year.  Claypool is an athlete, will be interesting to see what those numbers do for his stock.  Looks like a guy worth exploring, that is Unicorn size/speed ratio.

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2 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

The thing is, Josh doesn’t really even try to throw those 50/50 balls.

He has someone in Knox who can catch them and he threw what? 3 all year to him?

Knox damn near dropped more balls than he caught this year.  He threw a good amount of back shoulder throws to frigging John Brown, that's who our option is to throw to when everybody is covered.  We need someone that can be better at bailing Allen out

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5 hours ago, LiterateStylish said:

The thing is, Josh doesn’t really even try to throw those 50/50 balls.

He has someone in Knox who can catch them and he threw what? 3 all year to him?

This is correct.

My belief, which means nothing, is that we need another Wide Receiver....that excels at getting separation.   Not a jump ball specialist.   

When John Brown or Cole Beasley were handily open, Josh got them the ball - mostly.      If that is Josh's skill set, then get him a WR that gets open.   Plus give him the best OLine we can possibly put together.


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I hope the Bills draft two WR's, hell take em both in the first and second round.  Ideally....give me Ruggs in the first and either Shinault or Higgens in the second.  Take the best OLB in the 3rd and then grab a big physical running back in the 4th or 5th.   Ruggs is only 6 foot but his speed will force teams to play off coverage and double him deep.  Speed under 4.3 is difficult to defend.  Throw in a Tee Higgens or Shinault to create a mismatch on short db's and Josh will be set for the next decade with targets

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On 2/28/2020 at 12:45 PM, LiterateStylish said:

The thing is, Josh doesn’t really even try to throw those 50/50 balls.

He has someone in Knox who can catch them and he threw what? 3 all year to him?

 

A more talented WR with superior ball skills catches this pass in the endzone. Someone like Tee Higgins or Chase Claypool or Michael Pittman catch that ball and they are all better WR's than Duke Williams.


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On 2/28/2020 at 12:45 PM, LiterateStylish said:

The thing is, Josh doesn’t really even try to throw those 50/50 balls.

He has someone in Knox who can catch them and he threw what? 3 all year to him?

I think he did more so his rookie season when we had a basketball roster at WR. And he did it a few times in the beginning of this season only to watch Zay Jones stand there and watch and John Brown get out muscled resulting pics in that NE game. Daboll(more likely McDermott) shut that down quickly after that game. And it was ALSO the New England game that Knox began to seem like a liability dropping dimes in huge moments. 
 

 

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14 hours ago, seandelevan said:

I think he did more so his rookie season when we had a basketball roster at WR. And he did it a few times in the beginning of this season only to watch Zay Jones stand there and watch and John Brown get out muscled resulting pics in that NE game. Daboll(more likely McDermott) shut that down quickly after that game. And it was ALSO the New England game that Knox began to seem like a liability dropping dimes in huge moments. 
 

 

Lit's point is good, and yours also adds a darned fine perspective that gave me something to consider on this.  Added to (who was it, Crazy Legs? who posted) the artcle that I think made a case that separation is the factor that trumps all, and it's a lot to consider.  And that's only for one position, not necessarily what position will be the BPA in relation to the Bills.

I'm only speaking for myself, and although it's doubtful anyone could make the same mistakes as me(warning readers: another SJ soul-searching moment where he seeks some redemption as well as expresses genuine appreciation after having a moment of clarity, scroll quickly as youve been warned!), but this post reminded me you were more than the shtick/caricature Ive grown to dig(after originally being very riled by, the live game parts specifically lol).  Maybe "they" have gotten to me too, unconsciously reducing you SOBs to labels at times.  I appreciate your specific examples, which are often things I otherwise don't mind not remembering. ;) 

Actually, you're recent mention of KB making catches was something that could be considered positive and out of character, but also was something I wouldn't have recalled otherwise.  With all the hatred in here lately(which at times I likely add fuel to), I guess I don't mind if someone decides to call me gay for praising Sean and others.  

Sean. after distracting myself, can you remind me what your official position is on WR?  I remember it's "bellcow" for RB(lol).  You appear to watch a decent amount of NCAA football, have you mentioned any dudes you think would make a good fit(yes, I do recall one requirement was they not come from either team in the title game lol, I try to remember).  

 


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35 minutes ago, StraightJ said:

 Sean. after distracting myself, can you remind me what your official position is on WR?  I remember it's "bellcow" for RB(lol).  You appear to watch a decent amount of NCAA football, have you mentioned any dudes you think would make a good fit(yes, I do recall one requirement was they not come from either team in the title game lol, I try to remember).  

If this was all up to me? Pure fantasy land? I’d pick 3 WRs. 2 in the first two rounds. A Chase Claypool/Michale Pittman type aka a better version of Duke Williams. And then we need a dude that is in between. Not a 6’4 guy nor a 5’8 guy. A solid 6’1-6’2 guy. A fucking beast. This is your Shenault and Tyler Johnson’s. Too bad I think Shenault will probably be gone by 22. As will be all the studs in final 4 bowl games-Higgins, Jeudy, Lamb, Jefferson. I think 4-6 WRs will be taken before the Bills pick. So I wouldn’t dick around and wait until the 3rd or 4th rounds which I think they will. 
 

and yes, I know there will be “decent” to solid talent in rounds 3 and 4....but we don’t need decent. We need a fucking game wrecker. And game wreckers are not found by defensive minded staffs in the 3rd or 4th rounds. 
 

and after they make their defensive heavy picks and their late round picks at WR....fast forward to next season....and I can see it now.....me, you, and others in the shout box screaming the following:

CATCH THE FUCKING BALL! 
HOW THE FUCK YOU DROP THAT!? 
WHAT THE FUCK!? 
WHY IS NO ONE OPEN? 
FUUUUUUCK!!!


 


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1 hour ago, StraightJ said:

Lit's point is good, and yours also adds a darned fine perspective that gave me something to consider on this.  Added to (who was it, Crazy Legs? who posted) the artcle that I think made a case that separation is the factor that trumps all, and it's a lot to consider.  And that's only for one position, not necessarily what position will be the BPA in relation to the Bills.

I'm only speaking for myself, and although it's doubtful anyone could make the same mistakes as me(warning readers: another SJ soul-searching moment where he seeks some redemption as well as expresses genuine appreciation after having a moment of clarity, scroll quickly as youve been warned!), but this post reminded me you were more than the shtick/caricature Ive grown to dig(after originally being very riled by, the live game parts specifically lol).  Maybe "they" have gotten to me too, unconsciously reducing you SOBs to labels at times.  I appreciate your specific examples, which are often things I otherwise don't mind not remembering. ;) 

Actually, you're recent mention of KB making catches was something that could be considered positive and out of character, but also was something I wouldn't have recalled otherwise.  With all the hatred in here lately(which at times I likely add fuel to), I guess I don't mind if someone decides to call me gay for praising Sean and others.  

Sean. after distracting myself, can you remind me what your official position is on WR?  I remember it's "bellcow" for RB(lol).  You appear to watch a decent amount of NCAA football, have you mentioned any dudes you think would make a good fit(yes, I do recall one requirement was they not come from either team in the title game lol, I try to remember).  

Josh needs his WRs to get separation.  Go back and look at his best completions.   And best throws.

There are TWO ways to help get WRs separation.

1)  Give Josh a great OLine, and an extra second to stand in a clean pocket.  Most NFL WRs can get separation - eventually.

2)  Add a WR that can get separation.

Or, do both.  


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1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

Josh needs his WRs to get separation.  Go back and look at his best completions.   And best throws.

There are TWO ways to help get WRs separation.

1)  Give Josh a great OLine, and an extra second to stand in a clean pocket.  Most NFL WRs can get separation - eventually.

2)  Add a WR that can get separation.

Or, do both.  

You can get separation by having great route running and deep speed or by having tall, big body, with great ball skills and vertical jumping ability to high point and catch contested 50/50 balls.

It would be great to add a WR that is over 5'10" , that has some speed and the ability to high point balls.


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I'm not picking any sides with this post, just thanking everyone for making good points and having football discussion instead of the hate-filled political threads that rarely discuss matters of actual importance, or ones that anyone can do anytthing about.   Even though some folks might not think sports are important, at least the football threads don't generally devolve quickly into hate, and easily get steered to a couple of common mantras.

That's why I got very tired of the GM Doug Whaley shtick many on here had, and predicted this board would need to spread things around and use creativity once he was gone.  :)  

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