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Just confirming what most of us have known for decades. Thanks for your service Project Veritas and make sure we stop this in 2020!

In the second video from James O'Keefe's Project Veritas Action series on the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign, Democratic party operatives explain in detail how to successfully commit voter fraud on a massive scale. In the video, Democratic politico Scott Foval, who was fired after the release of Part 1 of this series, admits that the Democrats have been rigging elections for fifty years.

"It's a very easy thing for Republicans to say they're bussing people in," Foval says in the video. "Well you know what? We've been bussing people in to deal with you fuckin' assholes for fifty years and we're not going to stop now. We're just going to find a different way to do it."

"I think backwards from how they would prosecute if they could, and then try to build out the method to avoid that," he says about organizing voter fraud by bringing people from state to state to vote illegally. "Let's just say, in theory, if a major investigation came up of major vote fraud that way, how would they prove it? And who would they charge? Are they going to charge each individual with voter fraud? Or are they going to go after the facilitator for conspiracy, which they could prove? It's one thing if all these people drive up in their personal cars. If there's a bus involved, that changes the dynamic... You can prove conspiracy if there's a bus, but if there are cars, it is much harder to prove."

 

 

 

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While I think there will be an attempt to rig it, the best hope is to abolish the Electoral College.. idiots will overpower at that point.

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Well here's the thing Stupi... I mean Sack won't look at. He can spew all this vomitous rhetorical non-sense that has zero facts backing it up, as usual, or he could go see who really DID "Rig" the election, Cambridge Analytica, whose digital profile of Sacktard is probably a .jpg of Chunk from The Goonies as it's Avatar

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43 minutes ago, DC2007 said:

While I think there will be an attempt to rig it, the best hope is to abolish the Electoral College.. idiots will overpower at that point.

No way, in fact states should have their own electoral systems. Can you imagine what NY could be if we did that? A retard like Cuomo would never get in and live off of the NYC vote like he's doing now. I imagine there are counties here that he's never even been in and that's not representative of a true Governor.

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48 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

No way, in fact states should have their own electoral systems. Can you imagine what NY could be if we did that? A retard like Cuomo would never get in and live off of the NYC vote like he's doing now. I imagine there are counties here that he's never even been in and that's not representative of a true Governor.

Now that would be nice. The only thing a republican vote gets you in New York is jury duty.

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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

No way, in fact states should have their own electoral systems. Can you imagine what NY could be if we did that? A retard like Cuomo would never get in and live off of the NYC vote like he's doing now. I imagine there are counties here that he's never even been in and that's not representative of a true Governor.

I would love for that to happen, but lets be real, NY along with a bunch of other states have signed on to the resolution to give their electoral votes to the popular vote candidate, essentially giving up Statehood in its principle, while literally circumventing the Electoral College.  NY was only 52/48% last election and that scares the shit out of the Albany rats.  Ny is getting smarter, but the intelligent are also leaving at an alarming rate, so who knows what will come of it. 

 I abandoned ship, not taking chances, but there's hope!

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16 hours ago, DC2007 said:

I would love for that to happen, but lets be real, NY along with a bunch of other states have signed on to the resolution to give their electoral votes to the popular vote candidate, essentially giving up Statehood in its principle, while literally circumventing the Electoral College.  NY was only 52/48% last election and that scares the shit out of the Albany rats.  Ny is getting smarter, but the intelligent are also leaving at an alarming rate, so who knows what will come of it. 

 I abandoned ship, not taking chances, but there's hope!

Once I retire I'll be right behind you. You couldn't get me to stay in this state after I retire even if the state subsidized me with awesome social services. Personally I think every state should dole out electoral votes proportionately instead of "winner take all" but that would make the large cities less powerful.

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17 hours ago, DC2007 said:

Ny is getting smarter, but the intelligent are also leaving at an alarming rate, so who knows what will come of it. 

 I abandoned ship, not taking chances, but there's hope!

The intelligent, hahaha!! This mental midget says the state is getting smarter and the intelligent are leaving. Well it is getting smarter because the stupid are leaving. You know, addition by subtraction. If you leave, it will get even smarter and take that sack of shit with you as well. The smartness factor will be exponentially increased. Do you need a definition?

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On 10/17/2019 at 4:05 PM, direbills said:

The intelligent, hahaha!! This mental midget says the state is getting smarter and the intelligent are leaving. Well it is getting smarter because the stupid are leaving. You know, addition by subtraction. If you leave, it will get even smarter and take that sack of shit with you as well. The smartness factor will be exponentially increased. Do you need a definition?

I need a definition. Why don't you tell everyone all about the smartness factor, and how people like you are making New York smarter.

I know I'd like to hear it

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On 10/17/2019 at 4:05 PM, direbills said:

The intelligent, hahaha!! This mental midget says the state is getting smarter and the intelligent are leaving. Well it is getting smarter because the stupid are leaving. You know, addition by subtraction. If you leave, it will get even smarter and take that sack of shit with you as well. The smartness factor will be exponentially increased. Do you need a definition?

Oh, you poor thing, can barely read and think you actually can judge intelligence.  Just keep voting yourself further into tax poverty and have a nice life in NY.  I already left a couple months ago.  MAGA the NY way,

Make

Andrew

Govenor 

Again

Then bitch that nothing gets better, but taxes, unemployment and homeless rates keep rising.  It's the Democrat way.  Meanwhile, the population shrinks, the large income earners continue to leave and it's all Trump's fault for not subsidizing the asinine tax rates of NY with Federal Tax breaks.  In a time of deficit, your boy throws in a cool $100M for political campaigns per year to the budget, because tax payers should take care of the politicians more.  Only a fool would view this as the right path for the citizens of NY, luckily for Andy, that's all that will be left soon.

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You know that there are problems with Andrew Como when his brother won’t have anything to do with him politically

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2 hours ago, HipKat said:

You know that there are problems with Andrew Como when his brother won’t have anything to do with him politically

The world will crash down on him at some point, he's not even trying to hide his corruption any more.  He just walks around with his dick hanging out and daring people to say something.  How all his buddies ended up in prison for taking the money he funneled to them and he gets reelected is beyond me.  I swear people are blind sometimes, or so affraid of change, the evil in front of them is better to deal with than the unknown. 

Unfortunately, it's no different in DC, Trump is a mess, but the alternative looks worse.  Neither party has a current candidate or plan of action worth supporting, but we again are stuck with a racoon hair douche or a turd sandwich as choices.   Term limits need to be in place and lifetime pay needs to leave the Senate and Congress, having life long organized criminals running the country, serves no one, but the criminals. Three years wasted trying to find holes in Trump to remove him before he managed to show the real corruption has been a giant waste of time and resources.  If this country was actually run by intelligent people, looking out for the country, they would know he's only one man and a temporary figure at that, they could make him powerless simply by working for the greater good.  Instead, they have to cover their own asses because he came in vowing to drain the swamp and they don't want to go to prision, so we have a pissing match instead of accomplishing anything.  It shows his foolishness in boasting about literally everything in public and how hes going to catch them all, would have been much easier if he had any semblance of restraint.  Then they try to frame everything wrong as his fault and take credit for all that's right and almost everything is a compounding of long standing policy moreso than anything Trump has done, but lets not forget whos been there 40 years, so its really easy to see why they are scared of a boisterous fool taking all the credit. 

It's all a giant swamp, the only way to drain it is to get rid of everyone and start fresh, but we won't ever get the chance to vote on term limits because the people who control the option to make it happen are the ones that would lose their jobs.

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@DC2007 Since I’m not in New York state, and not as acutely aware of everything going on there, but I get everything I can from this site and for somebody like me who leans to the left to have a problem with the Democratic governor that pulled off some kind of a miracle and gave western New York $1 billion, which I saw the transformation that city is gone through two years ago when I was home, is very telling.

 

The fact that his very liberal brother badmouths him on his radio show regularly as a huge exclamation point.

 

The only thing I regularly see is that New York and Illinois are tied for states to lose  the biggest number of people every year And I’m sure it’s not just because of the weather

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7 hours ago, HipKat said:

@DC2007 Since I’m not in New York state, and not as acutely aware of everything going on there, but I get everything I can from this site and for somebody like me who leans to the left to have a problem with the Democratic governor that pulled off some kind of a miracle and gave western New York $1 billion, which I saw the transformation that city is gone through two years ago when I was home, is very telling.

 

The fact that his very liberal brother badmouths him on his radio show regularly as a huge exclamation point.

 

The only thing I regularly see is that New York and Illinois are tied for states to lose  the biggest number of people every year And I’m sure it’s not just because of the weather

If you look up the Buffalo Billion, you will find the articles about Cuomo funneling that money to his pet developers who are mostly in prision now.. some of the money was used for its intentions, a lot was not.  There have been some huge strides in Buffalo revitalization, its great to see.  There's still a lot to do, but the waterfront is awesome.

IL and NY suffer from the same basic issues, high taxes, major cities draining the funds for the rural areas, high crime and poverty in those cities and a lot of policies put in place trying to legislate people out of poverty, the next time that works, will be the first.  I would add they both suffer from criminal corruption in the government, to the point its almost laughable, but the votes keep coming becase the poor look to the government for help and the Democrats go to move is to promise more free stuff.  The problem arises when those who are making a living get sick of funding free stuff and not getting anything in return except higher taxes the next year.  There comes a point when you have to ask, what the hell is the money being spent on?  There doesn't seem to be any answer. 

Cuomo was out in the press complaining about the new Federal Tax code causing people to move from NY because it removed the write off for property taxes in excess of $10k, and it was causing a billion dollar decficit in the NY budget.  2 weeks later he passes new legislation, middle of the night style, throwing $100M a year in the budget for political campaigns, gives free college out to illegal immigrants, along with drivers licenses ( which I tend to think was more of a revenue generation ploy), etc.  Ignoring the basic need to be able to fund it all, or that the tax base is shrinking annually, but lets add more expenses.  So to quickly recap, losing tax revenue in large quantity, intentionally increasing expenditures on non necessities.  

My wife and I got an opportunity to leave and took off.  We aren't rich, but as a household we fall in roughly the top 15% of household earning in NY and still have 30+ years of normal income to earn.  When people like ourselves and those who make significantly more, leave to escape the taxes, it's harmful.  We now pay 2% less income tax, 1.1% property tax vs 3.8% + another .25% special assessment for the fire department.  Overall going to NC, has saved us around $15k annually in taxes and oh by the way, almost everything costs less here to boot.  

I can't ever see going back, unless things change in a huge way.   There has to be a shift towards some form of fiscally conservative spending. Its out of hand right now. 

Since neither party seems to know what that means anymore, im guessing that wont be happening anytime soon.

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Yeah, the Waterfront is amazing and I read about the corruption of the BB.

I'd love to go back, but not gonna happen any time soon

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1 minute ago, SackMan518 said:

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All depends on how you define socialism. There are several versions and the right wing has co-oped the term for anything about Obama they don't like. In the broadest (and least precise) sense socialism is anything that involves the federal government paying for, subsidizing, or otherwise having a managerial role in programs that are supposed to benefit the citizenary as a whole. If that is your definition, then as others have pointed out there are a lot of such programs. And it is important to note that although many of these programs (e.g., ObamaCare) are attacked by conservatives, most are programs that have broad support (e.g, infrastructure, Medicare, Social Security, etc.). That is not to say that such programs are above criticism or that they can't be improved, but even conservatives, excepting the real lunatic fringe, are in favor of contiued support, albeit perhaps at reduced spending levels. Given the definition I have just provided even military expenditures are socialistic.

If you want to try for less general and more precise definition of socialism, then good luck. Even classic socialists in the early 20th C couldn't agree on what its main foundations and specific proposals were. Those disagreements have widened since. I suppose that any reasonable definition of socialism would include Social Security and Medicare, but most would not include Obama Care because it still depends heavily on private insurance companies. Certainly more precise defintions would exclude military spending and most would also exclude spending for roads, police and fire protection, etc.

The reality is that we have some programs that might be considered socialist and many that are not. In current times it is a term without any useful meaning except as a catchall battering ram to criticize Obama, who for the record, in some respects, is father away from socialism than either of the recent Bushes. Calling a program socialist has about as much meaning as calling a disease virus-caused -- not at all helpful except in the broadest terms.


I should be clear that it is perfectly legitimate to criticize programs and proposals from any Presidential administration. Although I  am a supporter of Obama, I  and most other supporters freely criticize many of his proposals, and sometimes on grounds that conservatives would endorse. But calling them socialistic serves no rational purpose although it may get some emotions stirred up. If a policy seeks to solve a real problem and can do so efficiently then it deserves to be considered without meaningless labels. It may well be that such policies duplicate what the private sector can do and may even do the job less effectively. It is reasonable -- indeed important -- to debate such matters. But calling a policy socialistic does not contribute to rational decision making. It also interfers with good dialogue and the ability to come to agreement on policies. That's always the case when people resort to meaningless emotion-laden labels to stand for more rational, fact-based arguments.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-examples-of-socialism-in-the-United-States

 

1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world.  It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

8. Bridges - Along with our highways, our government used your taxpayer dollars to build bridges. This allows the public to travel across rivers without having to sail or swim.

9. Garbage Collection - Like having your garbage collected once a week instead of having to drive it to the landfill yourself? Thank socialism.

10. Public Landfills - Taxpayer dollars are used to have places to dump all of our garbage that is collected by taxpayer funded garbage men.

11. War - That's right! War would not be possible without socialism. Your tax dollars are used to fight wars for your country. This is Big Government at it's biggest. Private companies don't attack other countries, at least not yet. Government is the only entity in America that can defend us from foreign enemies and our tax dollars are used for every second of it. Socialism has brought down Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Bin Laden. War may very well be the most socialist thing on this list.

12. Farm Subsidies - Our government uses taxpayer funds to pay farmers and businesses to provide their income and keep them growing food for the public.

13. CIA - The Central Intelligence Agency is vital to America's security. The CIA is completely taxpayer funded to protect the public from enemies.

14. FBI - The Federal bureau of investigations is a taxpayer funded government agency.

15. Congressional Health Care - As Republicans in congress warn us of the evils of government-run health care, most of them are covered by taxpayer-funded government-run health care. You literally pay for their health care while they tell you that paying for your neighbors health care through a public option or single-payer system is socialism. They are 100% correct, it is socialism. They're just not telling you that they like their socialist health care, they just don't think you should have it. They are afraid you might like it better than the private insurance you have now that funds their campaigns and gives them money to push what is best for them and not for you. Members of congress are free to opt out of their evil government health care, but most of them don't because deep down, they like socialism too.

16. Polio Vaccine - In the 1950's polio ravaged the United States. Until Dr. Jonas Salk invented a cure, finally ridding America of this terrible disease. Dr. Salk could have sold his vaccine in the free market and made millions and millions of dollars. Instead he gave it to the federal government to begin eradicating polio. He said that he made plenty of money as a scientist and felt it was too important to try and profit from or create a business around.

17. EPA - Republicans hate this taxpayer-funded government program because they have the nerve to tell corporations that they may have to follow environmental rules ad regulations for the greater good of the earth and the people who live on it. But if you don't like breathing mercury, drinking dirty water, and breathing in chemicals, you should like this example of socialism working for the people.

18. Social Security - You pay a tax to help ensure that our grandparents and senior citizens of America have money to live off of when they are retired or too elderly to work. I love hearing rich people bitch about this one because the truth is that they do not pay a social security tax, like most payroll taxes. This little piece of socialism helps prevent our senior citizens from sinking into poverty and starving to death.

19. Museums - Many museums are privately owned by organizations and groups, but many are also taxpayer-funded state, national, and federal museums.

20. Public Schools - Can't afford to send your children to an expensive private school? Thanks to socialism and government, you child can still get an education. Public education has been under attack for decades in this country by the radical right because public schools don't teach Christianity to your children and it enables people like Barack Obama to work hard, gain scholarships, and eventually become President of the United States.

21. Jail/Prison System - Many murders and criminals are behind bars right now and not out on the streets because of our taxpayer-funded, federal and state run jails and prisons. Taxpayer money is collected and used to help protect all of society from murders, molesters, rapist, etc. I know there's a lot of disagreement and controversy about how to handle our prison system, but I think we can all agree that serial killers should not be freed into society. There are also many private prisons in the United States. However, they have a higher escape rate than their socialist counterpart. Besides, don't you see the bad incentives in having a private prison system that profits from having people in prison? Since a business's  top goal is to make more money than the year before, the only feasible agenda would be to get everyone in prison.

22. Corporate/Business Subsidies - This is the type of socialism that is acceptable in the Republican party. You tax dollars are given to big corporations to do things they should be doing anyway out of morals and ethics. Like not sending jobs overseas and hiring people. Wouldn't you like a nice big check just for not breaking the law? To be fair though, many businesses do earn their subsidies by advancing green technology and practice, donating to charity, helping communities, etc. They aren't all bad. People just get mad when big billionaire oil companies get billions of their taxpayer dollars while they're paying $4 at the pump. For the corporations that don't earn their subsidies other than donating to their very own political party, it's merely welfare. Though however you look at it, it is socialism.

23. Veteran's (VA) Health Care - Our soldiers bravely go to foreign countries and risk their lives at the request of their government and the American people. For those who survive, we as a country feel committed and obligated to ensure that they have everything they need for the rest of their lives for their service to us in which we could never fully repay. So we the taxpayers fund their health care in a government-run single-payer system for veterans. Many soldiers return with mental and/or physical health issues that would cost them thousands in a private health care plan. Socialism funds the military, the overall war, and also takes care of our troops when they return home.

24. Public Parks - Like going to the park on a sunny day? Just being able to walk right in, or at the worse pay a small fee? This is once again the work of socialism. If it were private, it wouldn't be a park, it would be someones back yard. That small or non-existent fee will turn into a $15 fee faster than you can say "No Trespassing".

25. All Elected Government Officials - From the Supreme Court, to the President of the United States and all the way down to the County Dog Catcher, taxpayers pay their salary and provide the funding for them to do their job. We pay for every aspect of their job. So in a sense, I guess you could say our whole country is run on socialism.

26. Food Stamps - Republicans fill with bitter contempt knowing that our government at the expense of the taxpayer is giving poor people money to buy food they couldn't otherwise afford. This, like welfare, is what the right thinks socialism is all about, along with mass murder. However, just like corporate welfare, welfare is socialism. I'll just end this one with a quick story. I have been down and out in periods of my life and sought assistance via food stamps. Even though I was what anyone would consider poor, I was not poor enough to get food stamps. Which means people who do get them, must really, really need them. As far as my personal experience, they weren't thrown around like candy the way the right would have you believe.

27. Sewer System - Do you like having a sewer system to remove waste and prevent pollution and disease from seeping into our environment? Thank the taxpayers of America and the socialist system it operates in.

28. Medicare - Medicare is one of the most liked socialist programs in America. Most of us don't mind paying taxes to provide our senior citizens with health care and hope the next generation will do the same for us. If you don't believe me, just look at almost any poll. Most seniors would not be able to afford private health care. So this form of socialism is a life saver for this nation's grandparents and senior citizens.

29. Court System - Whether it's the murder trial of the century or a case in a small claims court, the taxpayers of America fully fund our courts and legal process. You may pay for your own lawyer, but the courtroom, judge, and jury is paid for through socialist means.

30. Bird Flu Vaccine - You don't have bird flu right now and probably aren't worried about it because our federal government used taxpayer funds to pump vaccines all over America.

31. G.I. Bill - The G.I. bill allows veterans to pursue an education by using taxpayer dollars to help them pay for most of their schooling. It also helps them with loans, savings, and unemployment benefits.

32. Hoover Dam - Remember when our country use to build things? Our government built the Hoover Dam using taxpayer funds. It is now a vital source of power for the west coast.

33. State/City Zoos - American families have been going to the zoo for generations. A place where kids and adults can have fun seeing creatures and animals from all over the world and learn at the same time. Many zoos are ran by the state and/or city, using taxpayer funds to operate and even bring the animals to the zoo.

34. IRS - I know, the IRS is about as popular and well liked in America as a hemorrhoid, but think about it. The IRS is the reason that we have anything. The IRS collects taxpayer funds for the federal government. The government then dispenses these funds to our military, states, and social programs. If there is no one collecting taxes, no one will pay them. If no one pays taxes, our country shuts down. Without money to operate, nothing operates. This may sound like a good thing to some radical republicans, but for those of us with sense, we know this means anarchy in the USA. The IRS gets a bad rap because if you don't pay your taxes or owe them money, they can be ruthless. Like everything else, the IRS is not perfect, but without them we literally have no country or no means to run it.

35. Free Lunch Program - Some children are living in poverty by no fault of their own. I'm not saying it is even their parents fault, but you surely cannot blame a child for the situation they are born into. In most if not all states, there are programs where children who live in poor households can receive school lunch for free. The taxpayers of the state pay for this. Sounds like socialism to me, and also the moral and Christian thing to do.

36. The Pentagon - Our defense system in America is a socialist system from top to bottom. We as taxpayers fund the pentagon completely.

37. Medicaid - Our government uses taxpayer funds to provide health care for low-income people. Republicans, the compassionate Christians that they are, absolutely hate this program. What they fail to understand is that when people can't afford to pay their outrageous medical bills, they don't. This bill does not disappear. The loss that the insurance company, doctor's office, or hospital takes gets passed down to everyone else. So covering people and giving them a low-income option reduces costs for them and everyone else. This is the main argument behind a health care mandate. It's not to force you to buy health care out of cruelty. If everyone is covered, costs drop for everyone. If you have no compassion for the uninsured, you can at least understand the rational in a selfish sense.

38. FDA - The Food and Drug Administration is far from perfect. It is infested with corporate corruption and they have been wrong many, many times. Countless times they have approved things that they later have to apologize for and have banned things that would have helped people. However, they have also stopped many harmful foods and products from being sold to the public and protect us everyday from poisons being disguised as products. While not perfect, they are needed to prevent harmful food and drugs from being sold to you and you family. Without them, corporations can send whatever they want to your supermarkets and drug stores without any testing or evaluation. I don't mind my taxes going towards a middle man to inspect the safety of the products we are being sold everyday.

39. Health Care for 9/11 Rescue Workers - After beating back GOP obstruction, Democrats finally passed a bill last year to allow government to help 9/11 rescue worker's with their health care after many came down with horrible lung diseases from the toxins they breathed in rescuing people from smoldering buildings. These brave citizens risked their lives and health to help complete strangers. They deserve more, but covering their health care is a good start.

40. Swine Flu Vaccine -  Do you have swine flu right now? Then thank government and the socialist structure.

41. Disability Insurance (SSDI) - For those who are disabled and cannot work, our government provides an income for them via taxpayer dollars as opposed to the other option of letting them starve to death.

42. Town/State Run Beaches - Like going to the beach? Like it when the beach is clean and safe? Like having lifeguards on staff in case of an emergency? Then once again, thank the taxpayers and the socialist structure that makes it all possible.

43. Corporate Bailouts/Welfare - The whole point of this post is to prove that we ALL use, benefit from, and like socialism. This example is a form of socialism that the republicans not only like, but fight tooth and nail for. They don't like it when socialism is used for working/poor people, but when it's for millionaires and their corporate donors, socialism becomes as American as apple pie. The middle/working class who are the majority of taxpayers pay for welfare for corporations and people who have more money than all of us combined. When our government bails out a bank or gives a subsidy to a billion dollar corporation, you are paying for it.

44. State Construction - Ever see those construction workers in your town fixing potholes, erecting buildings, repaving highways and roads, and fixing things all over town? They themselves and the work they do is taxpayer-funded state socialism.

45. Unemployment Insurance - All your working life, you pay payroll taxes. Some of these taxes go toward a program that temporarily provides for people who lost their jobs until they can find another one.   You pay for others, others pay for you. Especially these days, you never know when you might lose your job. You may need temporary assistance until you get back on your feet. The government recognizes this. UI also keeps the economy moving in times of recession because people still have some money in their pockets to buy goods and promote demand.

46. City/Metro Buses - If you lack transportation, you can catch a city bus. Taxpayer funds and the fee you pay to take the bus make it possible for millions of people to go to work.

47. WIC - WIC is a federally funded program to assist women, infants, and children. WIC helps low-income families by providing funding for nutrition, education, and health care for children.

48.  State Snow Removal - Even though sometimes it may take them longer than you like to get to your street, do you like having snow plow service to clear our roads and highways in the winter? This is a state socialist taxpayer-funded service.

49. PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) - PBS operates on donations and government funding. The provide non-partisan news and information to the public. They are the home of Sesame Street, Masterpiece Theater, and The Antiques Roadshow. Surveys show that they are literally the most trusted name in news. I wonder how Fox feels about that?

50. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) - The CDC helps promote and enact the health and safety of the public along with helping to prevent and control illness and disease. The CDC is a government program that operates on taxpayer funding.

51. Welfare - Is there anything the republicans hate more? Of course I'm talking about the welfare that goes to poor people. Corporate welfare is not only accepted in the republican Kabul, but it's mandatory that we give our tax dollars to billionaires and not question the logic of it. Though if you look at it realistically and not through the red scare glasses in which the right sees the world, welfare helps the economy. As I've said many times, when poor people have money in their pocket, they buy things made and sold by companies. This creates a demand. To keep up with demand, businesses must hire to keep up. If you yanked everyone who is on welfare off of it tomorrow, the economy would take a blow and lose jobs due to the down tick in consumer demand because we just took what little money they had away.

52. Public Street Lighting - Like being able to see at night when you walk or drive? Thank Socialism.

53. FEMA - If Disaster strikes, FEMA is there to help pick up the pieces. As a part of homeland security and an agency of the federal government, they use taxpayer dollars to help cities, states, and towns recover and rebuild. I don't know to many private companies that could assist in disaster relief and ask nothing in return. Thank God for socialism.

54. Public Defenders - Ever been in trouble and couldn't afford a lawyer? Well the taxpayers and the government make sure you still get representation.

55. S-CHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program) - S-CHIP is a program that matches funds to states for health insurance for children in families that cannot afford insurance but make too much to qualify for Medicaid. Your tax dollars go towards covering uninsured children, is that so wrong?

56. Amtrak - Amtrak transports tens of millions of passengers a year in 46 states and three Canadian Providences. It is owned by the federal government and your tax dollars are used to fund it. All aboard!!

57. NPR - National Public Radio operates on private and federal funding along with public donations. NPR has been one of the most trusted news sources in America for over 40 years.

58. The Department of Homeland Security - Created after the terrorist attacks on 9/11, this heavily federally funded department of the U.S. government helps protect us from future terrorist attacks. This is the third largest department within the United States government.

59. OSHA - Do you have a safe and healthy workplace that provides training, outreach, education, and assistance? Thank OSHA! Brought to you by the taxpayers of America and socialism.

60. State and National Monuments - The Lincoln Memorial. Mount Rushmore. The D.C. National Mall. All brought to you and maintained with your tax dollars. Socialism is patriotic?

61. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) - The USDA enforces regulations on the farming, agriculture, and food industries to ensure food safety, natural resources, and hunger worldwide and in the United States. Your tax dollars are used to help keep what you are eating safe and even feed those who are not eating.

62. Government Scholarships - if you work hard in school and show true potential, our government will give you a scholarship towards college so you can advance your education. Your tax dollars have been used to send future doctors, lawyers, scientists, and even presidents of the United States to college.

63. Department of Health and Human Service - The overall goal of HHS is to promote, implement, and ensure the health of the American people. Your tax dollars are used to do this. Government looking out for the well being of it's people, imagine that!

64. Census Bureau  - Every ten years, our government collects data about our people and economy, to better serve and represent us. From the forms that are sent to your home for you to fill out and send back in and to the census worker who shows up and kindly asks you to fill out the form if you don't send it in, all taxpayer funded socialism. The information collected is used to better understand the economic situation and population in your area. Not to enslave you in a FEMA camp.

65. Department of Energy - This taxpayer funded cabinet of the federal government oversees nuclear weapons, nuclear reactors, energy conservation, radioactive waste disposal, and energy production. To those of you who care about our environment and would rather not witness a nuclear holocaust might consider this money well spent.

66. Customs and Border Protection  - the CBP is the largest law enforcement agency in America. This is big government that republicans actually do like because they don't like Mexicans immigrating to our country like our ancestors did. However, this taxpayer funded, socialist agency of the federal government regulates trade, imports, and immigration.

67. Department of Education - This cabinet of the federal government is actually the smallest. They administer and oversee federal assistance to education. They also collect data and enforce federal laws and regulations involving education. Even though the right thinks that this department is indoctrinating your children, they actually have no control over curriculum or standards.

68. Secret Service - Your tax dollars are used to provide highly-trained, skilled professional bodyguards to protect the President of the United States.

69. Peace Corps - The Peace Corps is a volunteer program run by the government that helps people outside of the US to understand our culture as well as helping us learn about other cultures. However they are more well known for their work with economic and social development in less-fortunate countries. Sounds very Christian for being a socialist program, huh?

70. Department of Justice - The DOJ is responsible for enforcing the law. Socialism keeps our civilization intact.

71. National Weather Service - Like knowing when a storm, tornado, earthquake, or snow is coming? Socialism makes this possible and available to everyone.

72. The White House - Our taxpayer dollars through a socialist means pays for the house that the president and his family live in during a presidents time in office.

73. Government - Like it or not, our country would not be a country without a government. Every single day, government on state and local levels serve us in ways we simply take for granted. Government as an entity operates and functions on our tax dollars through a socialist structured funding system. From the military down to the county dog catcher, socialism turns the wheels that make our society function.

74. Law - Laws and rules make our democracy possible. Remove these laws and you have sheer anarchy. Laws do not appear out of thin air. To have law, you need a government. You need elected lawmakers to make the laws and a government to implement and enforce them. Socialism is responsible for every law in this country. Without our government and lawmakers which exist thanks to socialism, there would be no laws. So the laws themselves, are enforced and implemented thanks to socialism.

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2 hours ago, HipKat said:

All depends on how you define socialism. There are several versions and the right wing has co-oped the term for anything about Obama they don't like. In the broadest (and least precise) sense socialism is anything that involves the federal government paying for, subsidizing, or otherwise having a managerial role in programs that are supposed to benefit the citizenary as a whole. If that is your definition, then as others have pointed out there are a lot of such programs.

And that's where it should end. We are a dominant Capitalist society with elements of Socialism thrown in. Where the Democrats want to take us is further down the road of Socialism as a great society equalization and NOT as just government subsidies. Student loan repayment, guaranteed income, diversity/quotas, rewriting/erasing history, attacking religion, weaponizing youth groups (ANTIFA), federal jobs for all - they're throwing it all out there for everyone.

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1 minute ago, SackMan518 said:

And that's where it should end. We are a dominant Capitalist society with elements of Socialism thrown in. Where the Democrats want to take us is further down the road of Socialism as a great society equalization and NOT as just government subsidies. Student loan repayment, guaranteed income, diversity/quotas, rewriting/erasing history, attacking religion, weaponizing youth groups (ANTIFA), federal jobs for all - they're throwing it all out there for everyone.

I actually don't disagree with most of this, although arming youth groups is hardly Socialism. And "guaranteed income" already exists in Federal and State minimum wages. Your real issue there is raising those levels which makes no sense as cost of living increases, so should minimum wages to keep up. That's only commonsense, especially since wage increases have been so minimal and even stagnant for so many years. So if you're against wage guarantees, then just admit you're really against a set, standard minimum wage. BUT, wages in general is a big part of the reason for student loan debts. That and the cost of college in the first place and to not ask for affordable education opportunities is somewhat sadistic, selfish and inhibits many peoplefrom even going to college.

I'm solidly against the "free ride" lifestyle that more and more people are taking on, but why are they? Laziness or lack of opportunities? Probably both. But regardless, it's become to easy to live off the personal Welfare-side of Socialism

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4 hours ago, HipKat said:

I actually don't disagree with most of this, although arming youth groups is hardly Socialism. And "guaranteed income" already exists in Federal and State minimum wages. Your real issue there is raising those levels which makes no sense as cost of living increases, so should minimum wages to keep up. That's only commonsense, especially since wage increases have been so minimal and even stagnant for so many years. So if you're against wage guarantees, then just admit you're really against a set, standard minimum wage. BUT, wages in general is a big part of the reason for student loan debts. That and the cost of college in the first place and to not ask for affordable education opportunities is somewhat sadistic, selfish and inhibits many peoplefrom even going to college.

I'm solidly against the "free ride" lifestyle that more and more people are taking on, but why are they? Laziness or lack of opportunities? Probably both. But regardless, it's become to easy to live off the personal Welfare-side of Socialism

I can somewhat agree here. Inflation and cost of living have far outpaced wage growth/minimum wage rates which is a damn shame considering that decades ago households could survive comfortably on one sole income. The problem now is that once wages go up hours get cut because our companies are far too driven by Wall St stock returns and shareholders which I feel is never good for the long term health of companies. Even Bernie Sanders balked over paying his staff $15 an hour and then cut their hours when they got that rate. Our current system of Capitalism does have faults but Socialism is not the cure.

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26 minutes ago, SackMan518 said:

I can somewhat agree here. Inflation and cost of living have far outpaced wage growth/minimum wage rates which is a damn shame considering that decades ago households could survive comfortably on one sole income. The problem now is that once wages go up hours get cut because our companies are far too driven by Wall St stock returns and shareholders which I feel is never good for the long term health of companies. Even Bernie Sanders balked over paying his staff $15 an hour and then cut their hours when they got that rate. Our current system of Capitalism does have faults but Socialism is not the cure.

Maybe instead of fighting over different philosophies, our lawmakers should be making common sense decisions, like cutting other costs to afford increases in necessary programs

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33 minutes ago, HipKat said:

Maybe instead of fighting over different philosophies, our lawmakers should be making common sense decisions, like cutting other costs to afford increases in necessary programs

I'm onboard with that but we spend so much on social services as it is. Check out this infographic. How much more can we spend on it? I'd like to see more of that money going to research and infrastructure to get us back on top again amongst 1st World countries.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SackMan518 said:

I'm onboard with that but we spend so much on social services as it is. Check out this infographic. How much more can we spend on it? I'd like to see more of that money going to research and infrastructure to get us back on top again amongst 1st World countries.

 

 

 

You're not wrong about infrastructure. I read that 85% of bridges in Illinois have had their Gross Vehicle Weight lowered and the roads are like driving on the tank trails when I was in Korea. 

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