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Would a Minkah Fitzpatrick trade make more sense than Clowney would have?

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While some fans may scoff at the thought, it's fun to imagine and the question in the thread title is my own, the author's title is below. The Range has been rather dead today, so I figured why not. If a trade thread can't get people talking, I may as well retire.

 

 

 

 

Buffalo Bills: Trade for Minkah Fitzpatrick would make defense elite

by Brandon Croce 9 hours ago Follow @BrandonCroce

 

If the Buffalo Bills were to make a trade for Minkah Fitzpatrick, it would make an already top defense even better.

The news on Thursday night that the Miami Dolphins had given Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek a trade was certainly shocking. While a trade within the division is unlikely, the Buffalo Bills need to do their due diligence because adding Fitzpatrick to this defense would make it the best defense in the league.

 

This is certainly a tall claim but what Fitzpatrick would bring to this defense addresses what is possibly their only weakness. The Dolphins defensive back is a jack of all trades and can play a number of positions in this defense. While he can play safety, if the Bills were to add Fitzpatrick they could use him as a nickel corner or he has the size to even play a nickel linebacker role.

 

 

 

This type of versatility is something that Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane covet when looking at players to add to this team.

 

The other benefit is that Fitzpatrick, who was a first round pick last year, still has two more years under contract after this season. The Bills also would have the ability to use the fifth year option to keep him in Buffalo an additional year.

 

The caliber of player, plus the contract situation, means that the Dolphins asking price will likely be high, as Chris Mortensen notes in his tweet. In addition, trades within the division are rare and even though the Bills did trade Russell Bodine to the New England Patriots, this is a different caliber of player.

 

The addition of Fitzpatrick could also be viewed as a bit of a luxury. While he would be a nice boost to this defense, they already are pretty good and have one of the best secondaries in the league.

 

However, depending on the severity of the injury Taron Johnson suffered against the Jets and if there are concerns about Siran Neal ability step in as nickel, this presents a perfect opportunity to make a trade for Minkah Fitzpatrick.

https://buffalowdown.com/2019/09/13/buffalo-bills-trade-minkah-fitzpatrick-make-defense-elite/

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I would trade Kevin Johnson and a 2020 2nd round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick.

 

Minkah Fitzpatrick can play nickel CB or outside CB.

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The Bills getting Fitzpatrick would remind me of the Broncos drafting Bradley Roby in the 1st round when they already had one of the best CB tandems in the NFL. I originally thought this was just another Miami player looking to get out due to the tank, but it appears like it's much bigger. It seems like HCSM and DCLF would be more willing to use him how he wants to be used than Flores?

 

If nothing else, Bills fans(or Brewman) who want to rip on a divisional foe may take some pleasure in this article as the title suggests.

 

 

The reasons the Minkah Fitzpatrick saga is bad for the Miami Dolphins and the player | Opinion

BY ARMANDO SALGUERO COLUMNIST SEPTEMBER 13, 2019 04:00 PM

 

Nobody wins here. Nobody looks good.

 

That’s what happens when a team and a player it drafted in the first round only last season cannot agree on the most fundamental thing a team and any player must mutually embrace: What position the guy is going to play.

 

Seems Minkah Fitzpatrick is convinced he’s best suited to play one position — perhaps nickel cornerback — and that would give him a chance to master it so well that he’d live up to that first-round draft pick the Dolphins used on him.

 

But the Dolphins haven’t seen it that way under the current coaching staff. They asked Fitzpatrick to learn six positions — strong safety, free safety, nickel cornerback, boundary corner, weak side linebacker and strong side linebacker — during training camp, and have moved him around like a chess piece to sacrifice over here in order to assure a checkmate over there.

 

This is their grand plan for a second-year player trying to learn his second defensive system.

 

So Fitzpatrick, frustrated by the team’s inability to put him in a spot where he can thrive, wants out. He wants to be traded.

 

And it’s out there now. It’s public. It has gone viral.

 

 

And the team, frustrated that its public, was busy managing the public relations crisis Friday afternoon by, get this, saying all its attention is on Sunday’s game against the New England Patriots. Even when we all know the Dolphins are more than willing to listen to offers from teams now interested in Fitzpatrick and have already talked to several, including the Dallas Cowboys.

 

This is messy, folks.

 

Because this speaks poorly of, well, everybody.

 

That’s how it is when a player everyone in the organization seemed proud of until training camp opened doesn’t want to be on your team. That’s how it is when someone who obviously doesn’t want to be in your locker room, is right there, every day, talking to other players — a living, breathing example of what happens when things go sideways.

 

“I don’t think it’s unusual,” coach Brian Flores said Friday of the situation. “I think Minkah’s a good player. We’ve talked about his role all week. I think he’s going to be a big part of the game plan. I think he’s going to go out there and play well, to be honest with you.

 

“I’ve coached for a while. I’ve gone through this a little bit before. The guy who comes to mind is Patrick Chung. He was in New England with me. He left and went to Philly. He didn’t like the way things were going there in New England, went to Philly, left and came back. And that whole thing turned around. So this is not my first go-around with a situation like this. That turned out well for Patrick.”

 

Flores even suggested all the damage done can be patched by, not tangible solutions, but the passing of time.

 

“Things change. Quickly,” he said. “We know that to be the case in this league. We’ll just see how this thing shakes out.”

 

This is my read on that: Flores was saying all the right things to make sure the Cowboys and the other teams interested in Fitzpatrick remain believe the Dolphins are not desperate to trade the player.

 

This all feels like work to improve Miami’s chances of getting good compensation for Fitzpatrick more than work to resolve the actual issue.

 

That leads me to this: There’s coaching stubbornness at play here.

Look, the Dolphins invested heavily in Fitzpatrick in the 2018 draft. So it’s up to the new coaches to make it work. Good coaches understand their players and if a player has too much on his plate — like having to learn six positions — it’s logical to pare back on what he’s asked to do.

 

That, of course, would require a coach to choose his player over his scheme or system or philosophy.

 

Don Shula — remember him? — went to Super Bowls running the football. And he went to a Super Bowl throwing the football. And he was smart enough to know when his talent was suited for one, and then changed when it became best suited for the other.

 

So isn’t it incumbent on coaches to mold themselves to the talents of their players instead of the other way around?

“I think, that’s an interesting question,” Flores said. “So, in a team sport you do what’s best for the team. That’s kind of where I’m at on that. Yes, that would be the goal for every coach to put a player you see at his best position. I think that’s where we have all our players and we’ll continue to make those decisions that we feel are the best decisions for this team.”

 

Here’s the best decision for the team: Make it work for Fitzpatrick until he is traded — something I believe will happen.

 

As for the player himself, he’s kind of gotten a black eye from this episode. And everyone sees that, too.

 

The fact is Fitzpatrick came to the Dolphins with a pristine draft reputation.

 

Jim Nagy, the executive director of the Senior Bowl and an 18-year NFL scout prior to that, chimed in on Fitzpatrick when news of this fiasco became public. He called Fitzpatrick “one of the cleanest prospects in the past decade.”

 

And among Fitzpatrick’s traits, Nagy pointed out his size, strength, athleticism, high IQ, toughness, competitiveness, durability, grittiness, versatility, productivity, work ethic, off-field reputation and leadership.

 

Except Fitzpatrick’s leadership has him asking out after one training camp, preseason and regular-season game? He’s supposed to be part of the rebuild for this team but apparently wants no part of the tough times ahead.

 

It’s not a good look for Fitzpatrick. And, in this saga, he has plenty of company.

 

https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article235019047.html

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Jungle just brought this up in the Shoutbox. Is it a chance for him to redeem himself from his recent faux pas?

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I'll pass on Minkah. He can stay with the Fins and cry and piss all over himself. I think the Fins would want too much for him in a trade anyway. :niterider

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If the Dolphins are asking for a 1st round pick then the trade is not happening.

 

But a 2020 2nd round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick would be fair.

 

Buffalo needs as many CB's as possible to match up with New England's WR's.

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Nothing higher than a 3rd. Those first two picks should be for the offense or a pass rusher.

 

That's ****ing insane. I originally laughed at Jungle's 2nd, and now you say a 3rd? I think this is a post that Futurama meme is made for! **** it, I'll just post it:

 

 

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That's ****ing insane. I originally laughed at Jungle's 2nd, and now you say a 3rd? I think this is a post that Futurama **** it, I'll just post it:

 

 

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There is no way Miami is trading Minkah for a 3rd round pick.

 

I think a 2nd round pick is fair. Minkah is under contract until the 2021 season and is a versatile player that can play nickel CB, CB, or FS. You need talented depth at CB to match up versus New England. If you make the trade it's with the intention of signing him to a long term deal.

 

Beane would still have a 1st and 3rd round pick to use on a WR and RB in the draft.

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There is no way Miami is trading Minkah for a 3rd round pick.

 

I think a 2nd round pick is fair. Minkah is under contract until the 2021 season and is a versatile player that can play nickel CB, CB, or FS. You need talented depth at CB to match up versus New England. If you make the trade it's with the intention of signing him to a long term deal.

 

Beane would still have a 1st and 3rd round pick to use on a WR and RB in the draft.

 

Im guessing folks dont understand this could make the defense truly elite if the guy works out as planned.

 

As an example, I love to point to Denver having maybe the best CB tandem in the game, and yet drafting CB Bradley Roby in the 1st round.

 

I think the Phins may ask for more than a 2nd...they seem to like to highball. I wouldnt have an issue with a 2nd plus more, if the scouts think he is the real deal and not properly utilized in Miami. Against a team like NE? Yeah, he could be a real difference-maker.

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