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Legislative districts in Virginia that the Supreme Court previously said were racially gerrymandered have to remain in their redrawn form, the court said Monday, giving Democrats in the state a victory.

 

The majority decision was written by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who noted that because the entirety of state government wasn't suing to keep the fight going — the case was brought by the state's GOP-controlled House — then it is throwing the case out.

 

"In short, Virginia would rather stop than fight on," Ginsburg wrote. "One House of its bicameral legislature cannot alone continue the litigation against the will of its partners in the legislative process."

 

The court previously decided that 11 districts in the state were sorted by race and they had to be redrawn. They were redrawn, and then the state's GOP-controlled House intervened to take it to the Supreme Court.

 

The case was 5-4, but not along the usual conservative-liberal lines. Instead, the majority in this case was Ginsburg with liberal justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, as well as conservatives Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/17/733389132/supreme-court-hands-democrats-a-win-on-racial-gerrymandering-in-virginia

 

man, this has been a hot button of mine for decades

 

yes, both parties do it, but its immoral and viciously unamerican

 

yet the pattern is now crystal clear. no longer will the courts allow these ridiculous maps to be draw so that one party can rig the game in their favor

 

hallelujah! finally

 

btw, this is bad news for the republicans. they have been the party to win most local jurisdictions in the recent past, so they were the ones benefiting from gerrymandering by far

 

the good news is this will force the right away from the fringe cliff theyve moved to, and back toward the center, at least if they want to win many elections going forward

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Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.

I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.

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Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.

I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.

 

whoa, a rational person.

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Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.

I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.

 

One of the best posts I've seen in awhile. I wish you'd post more often. Whatever magic you've used to turn frawd into a supporter of the Constitution and small government could also transform this board into a much more peaceful and reasonable site.

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political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

 

would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

 

as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

 

thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

 

our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

 

i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree

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political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

 

would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

 

as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

 

thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

 

our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

 

i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree

 

Or you could read the The Protocols, written circa 1900, and he how all of this was planned long ago(whether it was allegory or actual minutes of a meeting). Some people are very dedicated to their goals and are willing to play the long game.

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political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

 

would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

 

as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

 

thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

 

our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

 

i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree

 

Well, 100 Years I will give you, but 40 years....I strongly disagree. In a lot of ways society in the United States has de-evolved. Sure technology, automation has improved.....but problem solving skills, social skills and common sense has greatly diminished! Anyone that has children between 10 and 25 can surely attest to this. Ask your teenager to figure something out and they are like a deer in head lights. The last two generations are for the most part weak minded, soft and lack mental capabilities that were strong in the 60's, 70's , 80's. All the tech....that is for the most part created by the people in their 30's, 40's and 50's. There are some brilliant minds that have been creative...but your run of the mill 2000+ birth year...not so much. They are totally dependent upon social media, the internet etc! Take away internet access and they are helpless.

 

Secondly, I am going to correct you on why Americans think society has moved to the left. First, the educational system has been infiltrated by left leaning loons. Second, the main stream media has been taken over by left leaning loons. Lastly, those who lean far left are extreme in nature and are the first to protest. Squeaky Wheel gets the Oil comes to mind! In general the young, uneducated and the poor tend to be very liberal...as well as the elite rich (I will explain this later as it was an aha moment for me too). When people have little, work for little and do not understand basic economic's...they tend to want more for less. They want free hand outs! Once people get educated, they work and start to get a leg up and established they tend to be more focused on keeping what they rightfully earned. They become conservative. The elite wealthy tend to be liberal (wait for it ) because they are bastards and are pulling up the ladder of success for themselves so they remain elite! Always thought why the hell would a guy like Rockifeller etc be liberal....then it hit me. They want to make it hard for people to reach the success they did....so they remain Elite and no one else can join them on their elite status!

 

Third this is complete Rubish! "current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism" This is an Obama concept and it hurt Americans. Globalism is a concept that if embraced will destroy the USA as we know it. China would love for us to continue to embrace it as they have been exploiting us for years. If you strongly believe in Globalism then please donate all of your earnings beyond what you need to eat and have shelter to the United Nations for charity purposes. Globablism is unAmerican....Did you not learn from the 8 years under the Obama administration that Globalism sucks for us! If you can't see how bad things were from 2008 to 2016 then you are lost.

 

 

Fourth "as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit" I think somebody believes in Utopian society! Let me break it to you! No one gives a rat ass about making a level playing field. Politicians are saying that to get votes....but what they are really saying is "Vote me in you mindless sheep! I am going to carve out a niche in this government, look for ways to advance my own agenda that will get me another higher paying job or a nice cash kick back from a lobbyist". Right now they are talking about Reparation for blacks? Really??? How do you think they are going to do that! They aren't they are just saying "we are going to have discussions about it" Why? To get the black vote! Simple as that!

 

Lastly "each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors"....actually this is a misleading statement. The correct way of saying it "The Young are more liberal because they don't have much to tax, do not own much and are trying to find their niche in society." Once they start to earn real money, or have a business, grow in wisdom....ohh then they become conservative.

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Tytler cycle....I briefly read through this and my opinion is that they took events that happened during a time period to fit a narrative.

There is another social cycle that tends to be a bit more accurate: Socialism ---> Dictatorship ---> Capitalism ---> Socialism. Basically when we reach the pinnacle of wealth in society, we feel sympathetic and push towards equality and boom we kill the cow and revert back to Socialism until everyone realizes socialism doesn't work at which time you get a person or group that rises to power and you get a dictatorship. Eventually the people overthrow the dictator and some form of freedom comes about...

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Tytler cycle....I briefly read through this and my opinion is that they took events that happened during a time period to fit a narrative.

There is another social cycle that tends to be a bit more accurate: Socialism ---> Dictatorship ---> Capitalism ---> Socialism. Basically when we reach the pinnacle of wealth in society, we feel sympathetic and push towards equality and boom we kill the cow and revert back to Socialism until everyone realizes socialism doesn't work at which time you get a person or group that rises to power and you get a dictatorship. Eventually the people overthrow the dictator and some form of freedom comes about...

 

That plays perfectly into the old adage. Those who fail to acknowledge their history are doomed to repeat it.

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One of the best posts I've seen in awhile. I wish you'd post more often. Whatever magic you've used to turn frawd into a supporter of the Constitution and small government could also transform this board into a much more peaceful and reasonable site.

 

well if you actually had a functioning brain, you'd understand that distaste for president crime spree does not require me to be anything other than sane. Go find one post of mine supporting leftism.

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well if you actually had a functioning brain, you'd understand that distaste for president crime spree does not require me to be anything other than sane. Go find one post of mine supporting leftism.

Really, though, what was our choice? Trump, who is at best uncouth, or at worst potentially guilty of criminal activity, OR Hillary Clinton that definitely broke the law and was given a pass by the FBI. I would rather have someone in office that is potentially corrupt vs a person that is for sure corrupt.

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Really, though, what was our choice? Trump, who is at best uncouth, or at worst potentially guilty of criminal activity, OR Hillary Clinton that definitely broke the law and was given a pass by the FBI. I would rather have someone in office that is potentially corrupt vs a person that is for sure corrupt.

 

dude, he is individual-1, an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony where the other participant is doing time. the NY times did an, I dont know, 50,000 word piece showing how he categorically and unambiguously defrauded the state and federal government out of estate taxes. Every single day is a defilement of the emoluments clause with him taking in millions from people with business before him. he cheats and crimes and lies faster than anyone can keep track. There are so many outrages the last one is vaporized by the next one almost instantaneously.

 

I get it, the clintons are disgusting slime that have stained this country. but they are fucking pikers compared to president crime spree.

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Well, 100 Years I will give you, but 40 years....I strongly disagree. In a lot of ways society in the United States has de-evolved. Sure technology, automation has improved.....but problem solving skills, social skills and common sense has greatly diminished! Anyone that has children between 10 and 25 can surely attest to this. Ask your teenager to figure something out and they are like a deer in head lights. The last two generations are for the most part weak minded, soft and lack mental capabilities that were strong in the 60's, 70's , 80's. All the tech....that is for the most part created by the people in their 30's, 40's and 50's. There are some brilliant minds that have been creative...but your run of the mill 2000+ birth year...not so much. They are totally dependent upon social media, the internet etc! Take away internet access and they are helpless.

 

Secondly, I am going to correct you on why Americans think society has moved to the left. First, the educational system has been infiltrated by left leaning loons. Second, the main stream media has been taken over by left leaning loons. Lastly, those who lean far left are extreme in nature and are the first to protest. Squeaky Wheel gets the Oil comes to mind! In general the young, uneducated and the poor tend to be very liberal...as well as the elite rich (I will explain this later as it was an aha moment for me too). When people have little, work for little and do not understand basic economic's...they tend to want more for less. They want free hand outs! Once people get educated, they work and start to get a leg up and established they tend to be more focused on keeping what they rightfully earned. They become conservative. The elite wealthy tend to be liberal (wait for it ) because they are bastards and are pulling up the ladder of success for themselves so they remain elite! Always thought why the hell would a guy like Rockifeller etc be liberal....then it hit me. They want to make it hard for people to reach the success they did....so they remain Elite and no one else can join them on their elite status!

 

Third this is complete Rubish! "current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism" This is an Obama concept and it hurt Americans. Globalism is a concept that if embraced will destroy the USA as we know it. China would love for us to continue to embrace it as they have been exploiting us for years. If you strongly believe in Globalism then please donate all of your earnings beyond what you need to eat and have shelter to the United Nations for charity purposes. Globablism is unAmerican....Did you not learn from the 8 years under the Obama administration that Globalism sucks for us! If you can't see how bad things were from 2008 to 2016 then you are lost.

 

 

Fourth "as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit" I think somebody believes in Utopian society! Let me break it to you! No one gives a rat ass about making a level playing field. Politicians are saying that to get votes....but what they are really saying is "Vote me in you mindless sheep! I am going to carve out a niche in this government, look for ways to advance my own agenda that will get me another higher paying job or a nice cash kick back from a lobbyist". Right now they are talking about Reparation for blacks? Really??? How do you think they are going to do that! They aren't they are just saying "we are going to have discussions about it" Why? To get the black vote! Simple as that!

 

Lastly "each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors"....actually this is a misleading statement. The correct way of saying it "The Young are more liberal because they don't have much to tax, do not own much and are trying to find their niche in society." Once they start to earn real money, or have a business, grow in wisdom....ohh then they become conservative.

 

Love this!!

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Really, though, what was our choice? Trump, who is at best uncouth, or at worst potentially guilty of criminal activity, OR Hillary Clinton that definitely broke the law and was given a pass by the FBI. I would rather have someone in office that is potentially corrupt vs a person that is for sure corrupt.

 

Trump IS for sure corrupt.

 

Hillary would have done the same ol' shit that every other President does. Cozied up to our allies. Made stern statements to our enemies. Signed a few things, made empty promises and it would have been same ol', same ol'.

 

People claimed to be sick of same ol', same ol', so they shot an arrow at Trump, buying into all his MAGA bullshit and now his base is too ego-bent to admit they fucked up by voting for and pinning their flag on a fucking criminal that doesn't give a crap about any of them past conning them into voting for him again in 2020 - which is why he's spent the last 2 1/2 years making non-stop campaign rallies to his loonies.

 

The [part that makes me wretch is seeing those same loonies STILL shout his name and MAGA while what he's really doing is flushing America down the drain

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Really, though, what was our choice? Trump, who is at best uncouth, or at worst potentially guilty of criminal activity, OR Hillary Clinton that definitely broke the law and was given a pass by the FBI. I would rather have someone in office that is potentially corrupt vs a person that is for sure corrupt.

 

I didn't vote for the first time in about 30 years because my conscience wouldn't let me vote for either of them

 

I try to like everybody but I've always had a strong dislike for don, ever since I found out that he routinely pays contractors a fraction of what he agreed to just because he could. That's so completely unfair to innocent people just trying to provide for their families. I've had a lot of friends that were contractors or owned a Contracting / building Company and one of the worst banes of their existence is people who don't pay what they agreed to pay when there's no valid reason

 

That makes him a super ass hole in my book. And a super asshole is highly likely to be involved in illegal, or as you say corrupt, activity as well. So well before his presidential run I rated don as a thorough scumbag in a wide variety of ways. Interestingly, I don't think he's a racist, but that's another discussion

 

I knew Hillary was a little crooked, but her and Bubba are both lawyers so they know how to be crooked legally. That doesn't make it right but at least they aren't breaking laws. But when I found out she cheated and essentially stole votes from primary voters, I was Furious. There's absolutely no way I would ever vote for somebody that stole votes from the American public like that. Why even bother having primaries if you're just going to rig them anyway?

 

So kind of flipping that the other way around, knowing that both candidates are corrupt, which one would do a better job? I don't think there's any question that Hillary is infinitely more qualified than his Royal shitness and would do a much better job overall. It just sucks holy hell that was the two candidates that ended up being the choice, because they were both unacceptable.

 

IDK what it's been about the last few elections, but we've really had some garbage candidates the last four times at least. It's definitely disconcerting that what we've shown in the last decade Plus in terms of presidential candidates is alarming to say the least

 

My vote is in New York so it's really Irrelevant in the presidential election. Still, I voted all of these years because I thought it was my civic responsibility, and it is. I just hope we end up with a Democrat I can vote for because I sure as fuck ain't voting for the shitpile in this lifetime

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That is so weird.

 

Before I came disabled, over the last few decades I've been working on performance lectures on the topic of contemporary spirituality as it relates to sociology and culture

 

I had never heard of the Tytler cycle, but amazingly it's remarkably similar to something I came up with called ' the big cycle of fucking each other over.'

 

People form a collective, they elect representatives to speak for their locality, the representatives eventually rig the rules so they can keep their jobs, with their jobs rigged they can now start screwing over who they represent, those people eventually become oppressed, the oppressed eventually rise up and overtake their oppressors, they form a collective, and the whole cycle start over again

 

Amazing how similar they are, aye?

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Fringe? Both parties have moved so far to the left in the last 60 years as to be almost unrecognizable. When JFK was elected he was considered the most liberal democrat to ever hold the office of president. By today's standards not only would his ideology make him NOT a democrat, he wouldn't even me a moderate republican. He'd be a conservative republican or conservative libertarian by today's standards.

I don't identify with either of the major parties. I guess you could call me a constitutional conservative. I want the government limited to the authority granted to them by the constitution, no more, no less. In reality, the larger a centralized government grows, that growth always comes at the expense of individual liberty. My main driving ideology is small government.

 

I guess we need to find out who our actors (politicians) really work for, because it's not the people.

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FYI, for anyone that doesn't know it, I only have two criteria to decide who to vote for in the presidential election

 

1. Which one is more qualified - the presidency is such a different job then any other in the world that people tend to morph significantly in some direction after they get the job. They either grow into the job or grow away from it. Prior patterns seems to have way less significance than you would think in terms of which way they go. That's how huge of a transition this is. A good person can turn into a total fail of a president and a mediocre person can turn into an all-time great

 

Given this randomness in which direction a person will go once they get the job, why not go with the one who's most qualified? All other things being equal, a solid and diverse set of qualifications based on job or other experience, should weigh very heavy in the decision. If you don't know which way it's going to go for an individual, it might as well be one with more direct knowledge and experience then somebody who has to come in and learn on the job, or in shit lumps case, wing it depending on what channel he just watched in the last 10 minutes

 

2. Will their Victory result in a divided government?

 

If the answer is no then I will be hell-bent to find or even force a reason to vote for the majorities opponent

 

Total Control by either party completely sucks. Almost nothing is as reliable in life as either party getting total control is going to end up very fucked up. Are you sure the sun will come up tomorrow? It is possible an asteroid will hit us before then. But I can guarantee you that if either of our party wins Total Control oh, shit gets fucked up. 100% of the time. Like Sands Through The Hourglass oh, these are the days of our fucked-up political lives

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political parties have moved towards the left compared to decades (& centuries) ago bc we have advanced intellectually as a species

 

would anyone disagree that we were more primitive 100 years ago? the more primitive a culture is going to be the more rigid and superstitious its going to be. naturally, they will be more conservative out of fear

 

as a culture advances intellectually, they will be more likely to look for ways to release people from oppression, to provide a more even playing field that lifts up the disadvantaged, and to unite disparate elements into a more cohesive unit

 

thus each generation is a little less conservative than its predecessors, so is each culture, so is each country

 

our current shift toward global nationalism is temporary. eventually we will realize why we abandoned nationalism in the first place - because its a more primitive approach to what we have discovered to be advantageous for more people - globalism

 

i can feel the flames gathering around me, but thats ok. discussion is required to advance, even if you dont currently agree

 

Are you serious? Go shop at any wal mart and tell me if you see a whole lot of advancement as a species.

 

We are not advancing, we are regressing and that's been the plan (for a very long time).

 

The rulers, not the politicians want us smart enough to do the labor, not ask questions and be happy with what we have. The politicians work for the rulers.

 

By design, the education system in this country is less then AWFUL.If it weren't, you and countless other meatheads would know and understand that you are nothing more than useful idiots, who unknowingly are working towards the demise of this country.

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Or you could read the The Protocols, written circa 1900, and he how all of this was planned long ago(whether it was allegory or actual minutes of a meeting). Some people are very dedicated to their goals and are willing to play the long game.

 

Or, he could watch

 

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Are you serious? Go shop at any wal mart and tell me if you see a whole lot of advancement as a species.

 

We are not advancing, we are regressing and that's been the plan (for a very long time).

 

The rulers, not the politicians want us smart enough to do the labor, not ask questions and be happy with what we have. The politicians work for the rulers.

 

By design, the education system in this country is less then AWFUL.If it weren't, you and countless other meatheads would know and understand that you are nothing more than useful idiots, who unknowingly are working towards the demise of this country.

 

Nazis in the 40's were working on things, it's rumored, that we can't fathom today. Morality is dead. 96% of the 96% of the internet designated as the Deep Web is kiddie porn and a gathering place for pedophiles. Every year, 144,000 children disappear from the face of the Earth - most caught up in child trafficking. The last time we were completely united as a country, 3000 people died by 4 airplanes that were hijacked with fucking box cutters and our current President is a fake billionaire thinks coal is good......

 

Regressing is an understatement, my friend

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Are you serious? Go shop at any wal mart and tell me if you see a whole lot of advancement as a species.

 

We are not advancing, we are regressing and that's been the plan (for a very long time).

 

The rulers, not the politicians want us smart enough to do the labor, not ask questions and be happy with what we have. The politicians work for the rulers.

 

By design, the education system in this country is less then AWFUL.If it weren't, you and countless other meatheads would know and understand that you are nothing more than useful idiots, who unknowingly are working towards the demise of this country.

 

Apparently Meat hasn't seen Idiocracy, which is a hyperbole for what is actually happening. There's a planned inner reverse-evolution, to go along with the physical one that diet, envrironment, and medical advances(that prevented nature from doing it's job of elimination of waste, similar to a colon that been grouted) have given as. Rather than being frustrated all of the time though, sometimes it can be helpful just to observe and find the humor in it like when watching the aforementioned film, to help one keep a light spirit.

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If it weren't, you and countless other meatheads would know and understand that you are nothing more than useful idiots, who unknowingly are working towards the demise of this country.

 

thank you

 

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